Islam is a pro-Aspergers religion (unlike Christianity)
Nice, I think I could easily relate to this subject, being spent my whole 29 years of my life in a country (Egypt as you all know, yes under my name) where Islam is part of its constitution. And studied Islam in school since I was 4 years old, and listening to 60 megaphones shouting from 10 mosques in every direction 5 times a day. Ahh, I'm living in hell. And also because I'm a native Egyptian from a Christian family who spent 26 years Christian, 2 years Muslim (unofficially) and now Atheist.
Anyway, Christianity is more based on individualism, Islam is based on the group faith on the relationship between Muslims and each others which is a must!
Christianity (i.e. NT) has no direct commands of killing infidels or apostates in contrast with Islam of course which has these commands (If Eric doesn't know yet, he is trapped already!).
Of course, I agree with most members about the bloody nature of Islam as we seen last of this incidents in Iraq several days ago, dozens killed, and also a threat carried toward Copts (which I'm one of them.) And how you can't criticize it without putting your life and the life of your family in danger. I remember a writer here in Egypt which he was killed because he was defending Egypt as a secular state (which doesn't exist yet) rather than an Islamic state that extremists want. He was a Muslim too, but defending the rise of a secular state is a serious crime between extremists that they would see the person as an apostate and they would kill him like what happened.
Of course, I've been bullied by Christians as well, But is joining Islam is a solution? I mean, OK, maybe Christianity is wrong because the so-called Christians aren't so Christians after all. What would make Islam right?
You believe in God? OK, I've no problem with that, then how could you believe in a religion like Islam which puts no value for the life of the non-Muslims. Disrespecting to women! You know why Muslim women wear Niqab? Simply because Muslim men can't take the responsibility of their acts in harassing a woman. So in their mind the best way to not harass women is to cover them all over in something like a black shroud! And you can imagine how a girl unveiled and not wearing niqab would be treated! In Egypt women has been rejected from being judges only because they are women and Islam doesn't allow it.
Actually, one look at the countries that has majority of Muslims, you will find they are all third world countries!
I have great respect for Christianity as it's the only religion in the four Abrahamic religions (Yes, folks, don't forget Baha'ism) that inherited the Greek Philosophy, which is the most sophisticated humans came up with.
But Islam? yes, if you were only believe the Arabian mythologies to be true! Solomon speaking to ants, Jews turned into monkies and pigs, Solomon and the Jinns, Satan kicked out because he refused to worship anyone but Allah, Sun setting down in a muddy spring, verses only for Muhammad to allow him to marry his daughter in law the wife of his adopted son, to defend Aisha when she was caught in adultery, to threaten his wives with divorce if they didn't treat him better, to defend him when Hafsa (his wife) caught him having intercourse with the maid (Marya, the mother of his only son who died young). It's really amazing that we are in the 21st century and there are still Muslims! or even religions!
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I agree with your interpretation of Christianity vs Islam in terms of social requirements. I think the real issue is that Christianity began in a counter-culture, which was rejected, while Islam was the mainstream. This will result in a different role for individuals. Judaism is also less individualistic in terms of the teachings of its text.
Islamic scholars in Middle east are pretty similar to Judaism Pharisees in the time of Christ. There are even some theories about the origin of Islam as being taken from Jewish sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_and_the_Qur'an
There is a project called "Memri TV" on youtube, you could search and watch the videos they recorded and translated for Islamic scholars talking very differently from how they talk in the west. I just want Eric to remember that real Islam is in the east and he have to get the right idea before going any further.
I also agree with your analysis of the culture of the beginning of both Christianity and Islam.
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From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were; I have not seen
As others saw; I could not bring
My passions from a common spring.
Islamic scholars in Middle east are pretty similar to Judaism Pharisees in the time of Christ. There are even some theories about the origin of Islam as being taken from Jewish sources.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legends_and_the_Qur'an
There is a project called "Memri TV" on youtube, you could search and watch the videos they recorded and translated for Islamic scholars talking very differently from how they talk in the west. I just want Eric to remember that real Islam is in the east and he have to get the right idea before going any further.
I also agree with your analysis of the culture of the beginning of both Christianity and Islam.
I think you might have a point. Both Islam and Orthodox Judaism have characteristics that would appeal to the literal minded.
ruveyn
I think you might have a point. Both Islam and Orthodox Judaism have characteristics that would appeal to the literal minded.
ruveyn
They both lean toward laws, do this and don't do that. While Christianity lean more toward Philosophy and more open to laws.
So, Islam put it self as a third religion in order after Judaism and Christianity. But the problem that it's following the same laws standards of the Torah. So, if they were all from the same god, why didn't he just tell people to follow the Laws of the Torah which he already gave them to the Israelis and get over with?
By the way, I wish to know what's the new point of view of a new convert (or revert as they like to say) to Islam toward Jews!
This is a nice video to explain the point.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4XH6R8G4Mw[/youtube]
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From childhood's hour I have not been
As others were; I have not seen
As others saw; I could not bring
My passions from a common spring.
But then I started reading about Islam and it seemed like a much more accepting relgioun. I started going to Masjid ("mosque", to you heathens) and it was so much more welcoming than any chrurch i have ever been too... I felt like all us Muslims there were one big family, and actually, in Allahs eyes, we are. Nobody made a big deal about me being an aspie, or being a satirist... i went to at least 3 mosques in my area, and my experienc was the same at each one. I also found other muslim aspies who have reported the same opinions, they're all happier as Muslims! i think have found the best religion not just for myself but for all Apsergians and all mankind. What do you think? Do you all think that Islam is the best faith for Aspies? Do you think that maybe it was just the Christians in my area that were stuck up and stupid, or is xtianity in general just a dum and close-minded religion?
I fully understand your displeasure with Christianity. Christianity has at its center a subjective and sentimental modality. But Islam, although it is rule-based is also very bloody. How does Jihad, both the lesser Jihad and the greater Jihad sit with you? Are you cool with martyrdom? How about taqiyah (deceit and lying for Allah)? And do you expect to have 72 dark eyed virgins when you ascend to Paradise?
Have you thought it through thoroughly or are you running on emotion?
ruveyn
Taqiyah is not lying and deceit for Allah. Taqiya means precautionary dissemulation (i.e. it is okay to conceal your religion if revealing it would put you in personal danger). Concealment as a means of self-preservation was never invented by Islam. It simply brought to light something that has always been a part of human nature ever since the dawn of mankind.
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Think that's why an uncle of mine, who acts pretty Aspie-ish (he's 60 & knows LOTS of computer stuff, read Asimov when younger, etc) enjoyed the Army - the whole 'chance to go to Thailand & JApan etc and be liked better instead of the problems he had in the Chicago ghetto he grew up in (he went to Englewood for a period of time - guess what happened to him a lot
And that women I know who spent a LOT of time in foreign cultures (she grew up in Greece, has been to China, the US, Mexico, etc etc through her life)
BUMPAN THREAD
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To be fair, that is in Christianity as well. The last part was used by the founder of Mormonism as an argument for reintroduce Polygamy in (white) christian culture & practice polygamy in the USA. As in the founder was caught in adultery with his first wife, and he claimed the angel Moroni said he could marry MULTIPLE people, and got past the law that way......(well he was already a minster & had some following by then so......)
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I am a Star Wars Fan, Warsie here.
Masterdebating on chi-city's south side.......!
To be fair, that is in Christianity as well. The last part was used by the founder of Mormonism as an argument for reintroduce Polygamy in (white) christian culture & practice polygamy in the USA. As in the founder was caught in adultery with his first wife, and he claimed the angel Moroni said he could marry MULTIPLE people, and got past the law that way......(well he was already a minster & had some following by then so......)
Thats interesting about the Mormon founder (Adam Smith?).
Me and a lady on another website got into a conversation about that "Sister Wives" show on Discovery. She asked "how did polygamy get started with the mormons, did they have a shortage of men in Brigham Young's time or what?" I didnt have an answer. Now I have one!
Maybe ill start a new religion that sanctifies the illegile downloading of music!
To be fair, that is in Christianity as well. The last part was used by the founder of Mormonism as an argument for reintroduce Polygamy in (white) christian culture & practice polygamy in the USA. As in the founder was caught in adultery with his first wife, and he claimed the angel Moroni said he could marry MULTIPLE people, and got past the law that way......(well he was already a minster & had some following by then so......)
Thats interesting about the Mormon founder (Adam Smith?).
Me and a lady on another website got into a conversation about that "Sister Wives" show on Discovery. She asked "how did polygamy get started with the mormons, did they have a shortage of men in Brigham Young's time or what?" I didnt have an answer. Now I have one!
Maybe ill start a new religion that sanctifies the illegile downloading of music!
polygamous mormonism, now THERE'S an aspie (male) friendly religion.
"these are the rules. i'm in charge. stfu. if you all behave, i get to be a god after i die."
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Militant Asantist.
"BLASPHEMER!! !! !! !!" (according to AngelRho)
To be fair, that is in Christianity as well. The last part was used by the founder of Mormonism as an argument for reintroduce Polygamy in (white) christian culture & practice polygamy in the USA. As in the founder was caught in adultery with his first wife, and he claimed the angel Moroni said he could marry MULTIPLE people, and got past the law that way......(well he was already a minster & had some following by then so......)
Thats interesting about the Mormon founder (Adam Smith?).
Me and a lady on another website got into a conversation about that "Sister Wives" show on Discovery. She asked "how did polygamy get started with the mormons, did they have a shortage of men in Brigham Young's time or what?" I didnt have an answer. Now I have one!
Maybe ill start a new religion that sanctifies the illegile downloading of music!
polygamous mormonism, now THERE'S an aspie (male) friendly religion.
"these are the rules. i'm in charge. stfu. if you all behave, i get to be a god after i die."
While I am not a fan of mormonism either, I don't recall mormons strapping bombs to children and remotely detonating the children in marketplaces.
To be fair, that is in Christianity as well. The last part was used by the founder of Mormonism as an argument for reintroduce Polygamy in (white) christian culture & practice polygamy in the USA. As in the founder was caught in adultery with his first wife, and he claimed the angel Moroni said he could marry MULTIPLE people, and got past the law that way......(well he was already a minster & had some following by then so......)
Thats interesting about the Mormon founder (Adam Smith?).
Me and a lady on another website got into a conversation about that "Sister Wives" show on Discovery. She asked "how did polygamy get started with the mormons, did they have a shortage of men in Brigham Young's time or what?" I didnt have an answer. Now I have one!
Maybe ill start a new religion that sanctifies the illegile downloading of music!
polygamous mormonism, now THERE'S an aspie (male) friendly religion.
"these are the rules. i'm in charge. stfu. if you all behave, i get to be a god after i die."
While I am not a fan of mormonism either, I don't recall mormons strapping bombs to children and remotely detonating the children in marketplaces.
not a fan of mormonism? why don't you like mormons?
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Waltur the Walrus Slayer,
Militant Asantist.
"BLASPHEMER!! !! !! !!" (according to AngelRho)
To be fair, that is in Christianity as well. The last part was used by the founder of Mormonism as an argument for reintroduce Polygamy in (white) christian culture & practice polygamy in the USA. As in the founder was caught in adultery with his first wife, and he claimed the angel Moroni said he could marry MULTIPLE people, and got past the law that way......(well he was already a minster & had some following by then so......)
Thats interesting about the Mormon founder (Adam Smith?).
Me and a lady on another website got into a conversation about that "Sister Wives" show on Discovery. She asked "how did polygamy get started with the mormons, did they have a shortage of men in Brigham Young's time or what?" I didnt have an answer. Now I have one!
Maybe ill start a new religion that sanctifies the illegile downloading of music!
polygamous mormonism, now THERE'S an aspie (male) friendly religion.
"these are the rules. i'm in charge. stfu. if you all behave, i get to be a god after i die."
While I am not a fan of mormonism either, I don't recall mormons strapping bombs to children and remotely detonating the children in marketplaces.
not a fan of mormonism? why don't you like mormons?
I don't agree with the religious view of mormonism, I have nothing against people whom happen to be mormons, in fact I have a few friends that are mormon. I just don't agree with their religion on various issues, I don't have any hatred or ill will towards them. I also have a problem with the polygamy (to be fair most mormons do not practice this).
To be fair, that is in Christianity as well. The last part was used by the founder of Mormonism as an argument for reintroduce Polygamy in (white) christian culture & practice polygamy in the USA. As in the founder was caught in adultery with his first wife, and he claimed the angel Moroni said he could marry MULTIPLE people, and got past the law that way......(well he was already a minster & had some following by then so......)
Thats interesting about the Mormon founder (Adam Smith?).
Me and a lady on another website got into a conversation about that "Sister Wives" show on Discovery. She asked "how did polygamy get started with the mormons, did they have a shortage of men in Brigham Young's time or what?" I didnt have an answer. Now I have one!
Maybe ill start a new religion that sanctifies the illegile downloading of music!
polygamous mormonism, now THERE'S an aspie (male) friendly religion.
"these are the rules. i'm in charge. stfu. if you all behave, i get to be a god after i die."
While I am not a fan of mormonism either, I don't recall mormons strapping bombs to children and remotely detonating the children in marketplaces.
not a fan of mormonism? why don't you like mormons?
I don't agree with the religious view of mormonism, I have nothing against people whom happen to be mormons, in fact I have a few friends that are mormon. I just don't agree with their religion on various issues, I don't have any hatred or ill will towards them. I also have a problem with the polygamy (to be fair most mormons do not practice this).
as i understand it, polygamy's been out of style in mainstream mormonism for a while. mormonism is quite different from most christian sects, though. why would these people believe such silly interpretations of your scripture? that doesn't cause you to doubt their judgment at all?
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Waltur the Walrus Slayer,
Militant Asantist.
"BLASPHEMER!! !! !! !!" (according to AngelRho)
To be fair, that is in Christianity as well. The last part was used by the founder of Mormonism as an argument for reintroduce Polygamy in (white) christian culture & practice polygamy in the USA. As in the founder was caught in adultery with his first wife, and he claimed the angel Moroni said he could marry MULTIPLE people, and got past the law that way......(well he was already a minster & had some following by then so......)
Thats interesting about the Mormon founder (Adam Smith?).
Me and a lady on another website got into a conversation about that "Sister Wives" show on Discovery. She asked "how did polygamy get started with the mormons, did they have a shortage of men in Brigham Young's time or what?" I didnt have an answer. Now I have one!
Maybe ill start a new religion that sanctifies the illegile downloading of music!
polygamous mormonism, now THERE'S an aspie (male) friendly religion.
"these are the rules. i'm in charge. stfu. if you all behave, i get to be a god after i die."
While I am not a fan of mormonism either, I don't recall mormons strapping bombs to children and remotely detonating the children in marketplaces.
not a fan of mormonism? why don't you like mormons?
I don't agree with the religious view of mormonism, I have nothing against people whom happen to be mormons, in fact I have a few friends that are mormon. I just don't agree with their religion on various issues, I don't have any hatred or ill will towards them. I also have a problem with the polygamy (to be fair most mormons do not practice this).
as i understand it, polygamy's been out of style in mainstream mormonism for a while. mormonism is quite different from most christian sects, though. why would these people believe such silly interpretations of your scripture? that doesn't cause you to doubt their judgment at all?
I'm going to let God sort it all out, it is not my place to do so.
