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28 Oct 2010, 5:41 pm

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sheer weight of numbers, and reliance on technology.


Sheer weight of numbers & reliance upon technology. So, I suppose the sheer weight of numbers in terms of aircraft gaining air superiority prior to engaging in ground based combat? The sheer weight in numbers of M1A1's? The sheer weight in numbers of anti-materiel and anti-personnel snipers? The sheer weight in numbers of carrier battle groups? I'm sorry, have you gotten your history of American military engagement from the movie Platoon?


Add them all together. What do you get? A HUGE military force. THAT weight of numbers. You're drifting into the ridiculous again. The conclusion that because you only have a small number of VAST FLOATING AIRFIELDS in your navy somehow makes your monolithic multi-billion dollar war machine small and efficient? Because "snipers" occur less in an infantry unit than riflemen, your bloated army is a teeny weeny elite highly trained super-honed rapier. Don't talk bollocks.

And don't even start on that poorly thought out neo-colonialist farce that wasn't even given the dignity of being a "war" in Indo-china. Which you lost. Badly. Completely even.

STILL NOT RELEVANT or even ON TOPIC.


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28 Oct 2010, 5:58 pm

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STILL NOT RELEVANT or even ON TOPIC.


Not relevant or on topic. Please do tell me what the topic of this thread is then.



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28 Oct 2010, 6:09 pm

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STILL NOT RELEVANT or even ON TOPIC.


Not relevant or on topic. Please do tell me what the topic of this thread is then.


Certainly isn't "RAF bombing missions of the mid-forties." or "How evil the British are, based apparently on Mel Gibson's "The Patriot." or even "Trying to compare saturation bombing with low level strafing."


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28 Oct 2010, 6:26 pm

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STILL NOT RELEVANT or even ON TOPIC.


Not relevant or on topic. Please do tell me what the topic of this thread is then.


Certainly isn't "RAF bombing missions of the mid-forties." or "How evil the British are, based apparently on Mel Gibson's "The Patriot." or even "Trying to compare saturation bombing with low level strafing."


I don't think the British are evil nor do I have anything against imperialism nor the bombardment of enemies even if there are civilian losses. However, making claims that an ally intentionally sought to bring America into the Six Day War by attacking an American vessel in the hopes of passing the blame off is a rather thin accusation made of specifically knowledge-less conjecture.



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28 Oct 2010, 6:51 pm

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STILL NOT RELEVANT or even ON TOPIC.


Not relevant or on topic. Please do tell me what the topic of this thread is then.


Certainly isn't "RAF bombing missions of the mid-forties." or "How evil the British are, based apparently on Mel Gibson's "The Patriot." or even "Trying to compare saturation bombing with low level strafing."


I don't think the British are evil nor do I have anything against imperialism nor the bombardment of enemies even if there are civilian losses. However, making claims that an ally intentionally sought to bring America into the Six Day War by attacking an American vessel in the hopes of passing the blame off is a rather thin accusation made of specifically knowledge-less conjecture.


Except that it isn't "knowledge-less conjecture." Knowledge-less would be the term for your digression. So, what reason DID you have for wandering off into a side-bar of inaccurate waffle about half-remembered bombing runs in the forties, given its total lack of relevance to Israeli behaviour in the Six Day War?


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28 Oct 2010, 7:00 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
STILL NOT RELEVANT or even ON TOPIC.


Not relevant or on topic. Please do tell me what the topic of this thread is then.


Certainly isn't "RAF bombing missions of the mid-forties." or "How evil the British are, based apparently on Mel Gibson's "The Patriot." or even "Trying to compare saturation bombing with low level strafing."


I don't think the British are evil nor do I have anything against imperialism nor the bombardment of enemies even if there are civilian losses. However, making claims that an ally intentionally sought to bring America into the Six Day War by attacking an American vessel in the hopes of passing the blame off is a rather thin accusation made of specifically knowledge-less conjecture.


Except that it isn't "knowledge-less conjecture." Knowledge-less would be the term for your digression. So, what reason DID you have for wandering off into a side-bar of inaccurate waffle about half-remembered bombing runs in the forties, given its total lack of relevance to Israeli behaviour in the Six Day War?


Going back to the mid-1940's for an example of a war crime committed against civilians by that nation you seem to give blind patriotism to in order to compare to a military action against a military vessel misidentified during a week-long war where everything was touch-and-go is not irrelevant. If anything it continues to show how you are not willing to admit any fault by your nation and yet you mind nothing said against America or her allies.



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28 Oct 2010, 7:14 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
STILL NOT RELEVANT or even ON TOPIC.


Not relevant or on topic. Please do tell me what the topic of this thread is then.


Certainly isn't "RAF bombing missions of the mid-forties." or "How evil the British are, based apparently on Mel Gibson's "The Patriot." or even "Trying to compare saturation bombing with low level strafing."


I don't think the British are evil nor do I have anything against imperialism nor the bombardment of enemies even if there are civilian losses. However, making claims that an ally intentionally sought to bring America into the Six Day War by attacking an American vessel in the hopes of passing the blame off is a rather thin accusation made of specifically knowledge-less conjecture.


Except that it isn't "knowledge-less conjecture." Knowledge-less would be the term for your digression. So, what reason DID you have for wandering off into a side-bar of inaccurate waffle about half-remembered bombing runs in the forties, given its total lack of relevance to Israeli behaviour in the Six Day War?


Going back to the mid-1940's for an example of a war crime committed against civilians by that nation you seem to give blind patriotism to in order to compare to a military action against a military vessel misidentified during a week-long war where everything was touch-and-go is not irrelevant. If anything it continues to show how you are not willing to admit any fault by your nation and yet you mind nothing said against America or her allies.


Even in your own description you manage to make the two events sound completely different and unrelated (which they are.) And I remind you again of the EPIC difference between a high level saturation bombing raid upon a legitimate industrial land target using massed propeller-driven aircraft against an aggressor nation in a legally declared war, and a low level strafing/bomb run using French-built fast mover jet aircraft at sea. Not to mention the motor boat part of the attack. Regardless of whether it was a genuine friendly-fire incident or not, its still absolutely f**k ALL like the bombing of Hamburg. Seriously. Give it up and go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


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28 Oct 2010, 7:23 pm

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go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona



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28 Oct 2010, 7:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona


Come on, I'm waiting to hear how you'll dismiss this also.



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28 Oct 2010, 7:55 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona


Come on, I'm waiting to hear how you'll dismiss this also.


How about you pick a thread and stick to it eh? I'm not having the same dumb-ass argument with you twice. You want to try and find evidence of British false-flag operations, go do it in the one place, and not two different threads.


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28 Oct 2010, 8:06 pm

Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona


Come on, I'm waiting to hear how you'll dismiss this also.


How about you pick a thread and stick to it eh? I'm not having the same dumb-ass argument with you twice. You want to try and find evidence of British false-flag operations, go do it in the one place, and not two different threads.


You were the one to start the replies in my thread and only now are you blaming me for what you're doing.



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28 Oct 2010, 8:22 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona


Come on, I'm waiting to hear how you'll dismiss this also.


How about you pick a thread and stick to it eh? I'm not having the same dumb-ass argument with you twice. You want to try and find evidence of British false-flag operations, go do it in the one place, and not two different threads.


You were the one to start the replies in my thread and only now are you blaming me for what you're doing.


Did I bring up the Arcona in two different threads? No. Did I bring up "British War Crimes, imagined or otherwise" in every thread? You want to discuss the Liberty Incident and matters pertinent to it, do it in the Liberty Incident thread instead of dragging it in to both.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/posts141473-start15.html

Here. I even linked you to it.


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28 Oct 2010, 11:44 pm

Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona


Come on, I'm waiting to hear how you'll dismiss this also.


How about you pick a thread and stick to it eh? I'm not having the same dumb-ass argument with you twice. You want to try and find evidence of British false-flag operations, go do it in the one place, and not two different threads.


You were the one to start the replies in my thread and only now are you blaming me for what you're doing.


Did I bring up the Arcona in two different threads? No. Did I bring up "British War Crimes, imagined or otherwise" in every thread? You want to discuss the Liberty Incident and matters pertinent to it, do it in the Liberty Incident thread instead of dragging it in to both.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/posts141473-start15.html

Here. I even linked you to it.


Sand brought up the Liberty friendly fire accident in a conspiracy theory manner and has post a few nutty websites to help discredit himself, but you've continued his line of ad naseum biased spouting here even after he left in addition to my separate thread regarding archives the NSA had from an American spyplane which confirmed the Israeli account.



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29 Oct 2010, 4:41 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona


Come on, I'm waiting to hear how you'll dismiss this also.


How about you pick a thread and stick to it eh? I'm not having the same dumb-ass argument with you twice. You want to try and find evidence of British false-flag operations, go do it in the one place, and not two different threads.


You were the one to start the replies in my thread and only now are you blaming me for what you're doing.


Did I bring up the Arcona in two different threads? No. Did I bring up "British War Crimes, imagined or otherwise" in every thread? You want to discuss the Liberty Incident and matters pertinent to it, do it in the Liberty Incident thread instead of dragging it in to both.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/posts141473-start15.html

Here. I even linked you to it.


Sand brought up the Liberty friendly fire accident in a conspiracy theory manner and has post a few nutty websites to help discredit himself, but you've continued his line of ad naseum biased spouting here even after he left in addition to my separate thread regarding archives the NSA had from an American spyplane which confirmed the Israeli account.


You could exchange the name Sand for 'keet in that post and it would apply equally. And again you're naming it bias, having invented this dislke for Israel that I apparently have based on exactly f**k all. And why should the NSA be considered trustworthy exactly?


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29 Oct 2010, 8:58 am

Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona


Come on, I'm waiting to hear how you'll dismiss this also.


How about you pick a thread and stick to it eh? I'm not having the same dumb-ass argument with you twice. You want to try and find evidence of British false-flag operations, go do it in the one place, and not two different threads.


You were the one to start the replies in my thread and only now are you blaming me for what you're doing.


Did I bring up the Arcona in two different threads? No. Did I bring up "British War Crimes, imagined or otherwise" in every thread? You want to discuss the Liberty Incident and matters pertinent to it, do it in the Liberty Incident thread instead of dragging it in to both.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/posts141473-start15.html

Here. I even linked you to it.


Sand brought up the Liberty friendly fire accident in a conspiracy theory manner and has post a few nutty websites to help discredit himself, but you've continued his line of ad naseum biased spouting here even after he left in addition to my separate thread regarding archives the NSA had from an American spyplane which confirmed the Israeli account.


You could exchange the name Sand for 'keet in that post and it would apply equally. And again you're naming it bias, having invented this dislke for Israel that I apparently have based on exactly f**k all. And why should the NSA be considered trustworthy exactly?


Why should it be untrustworthy? How about MI6, are they trustworthy?



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29 Oct 2010, 11:13 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
go find an event that actually shares some similarities.


Okay, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona


Come on, I'm waiting to hear how you'll dismiss this also.


How about you pick a thread and stick to it eh? I'm not having the same dumb-ass argument with you twice. You want to try and find evidence of British false-flag operations, go do it in the one place, and not two different threads.


You were the one to start the replies in my thread and only now are you blaming me for what you're doing.


Did I bring up the Arcona in two different threads? No. Did I bring up "British War Crimes, imagined or otherwise" in every thread? You want to discuss the Liberty Incident and matters pertinent to it, do it in the Liberty Incident thread instead of dragging it in to both.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/posts141473-start15.html

Here. I even linked you to it.


Sand brought up the Liberty friendly fire accident in a conspiracy theory manner and has post a few nutty websites to help discredit himself, but you've continued his line of ad naseum biased spouting here even after he left in addition to my separate thread regarding archives the NSA had from an American spyplane which confirmed the Israeli account.


You could exchange the name Sand for 'keet in that post and it would apply equally. And again you're naming it bias, having invented this dislke for Israel that I apparently have based on exactly f**k all. And why should the NSA be considered trustworthy exactly?


Why should it be untrustworthy? How about MI6, are they trustworthy?


Frankly? No. Because they are spies and saboteurs and all manner of naughty things. If they were trustworthy they would be s**t at the job. Its ALL about lying, on a grand scale. That's the point of such services.

Care to explain why you think I have an anti-Israeli bias then? I'll accept that I have an Anti-American streak a mile wide. I don't trust the US government, their security services, or the ability of their military, and think that the whole world has been held hostage to American interests for far too long.

Only one thing exists that I find particularly galling and wrong, and reprehensible about Israel, and it isn't shooting at Americans. Can you discover what it is, with your mad history skillz that you keep failing with over and over again?


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