The end of Obamacare?

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Well current discussion is trending towards federal regulation, has that suddenly been taken off the table?

I seriously doubt the accuracy of your statement, I'm not sure if it was this thread but I've already pointed out that Democrats LIED when they said they tried to work with Republicans. The Democrats wrote Obamacare behind closed doors, then came out and expected Republicans to blindly vote for a bill that they hadn't even read yet and we later find out the Democrats hadn't read it either.

I'm not going to just sit here and let you spew false statements smearing the Republicans, Tea Party, or anyone else and not call you on it.

Best case scenario for people that want the "Obamacare" law repealed:

Two to three years from now the Supreme Court rules the entire law unconstitutional about the same time that it is fully in effect. Even if the Supreme Court rules the entire law constitutional there is a Republican President, Republican House, and Republican Congress. They then have the opportunity to repeal the law. They are successful and everyone loses the coverage they have gained from the law.

Now many of the single, entry level workers in the service industry, $14,000 or less, and families of four making under $29,000 lose their medicaid coverage that they are paying absolutely nothing for; there are no subsidies for middle class families to afford private insurance plans that they have just acquired, no guarantee that people can purchase insurance with existing conditions, life time insurance caps are re-instituted, young people are kicked off their parents plans, etc.,etc., etc,. A significant number of these people that were covered have chronic health problems, that they will no longer receive treatment for.

Republicans finally get to start from scratch with their plan.

The Republicans put into law comprehensive tort reform, interstate competition between insurance companies, and are successful in creating high risk pools for people with existing conditions. The legislative process to make this happen is every bit as ugly and complicated as the legislative process was for ObamaCare; remember the Democrats had control then. Something gets passed within a year or so.

By now it is close to 2015.

Realistic impact from this: Insurance costs may stabilize, a possible decrease in costs, and people that can afford the going rate of employee sponsored plans with existing conditions can get into the high risk pools.

In reality who stands to benefit from this plan? People like me who are lucky enough to have an employer based insurance plan (in my case a retiree plan). My costs for my wife and I are about $6000 a year. By 2015 they will probably be about $8000 a year. Maybe my cost will stabilize at $8000 a year or if I'm lucky I'll pay $7500 a year with the new Republican plan. The same effect of cost stabilization or a decrease for private insurance plans (maybe up to 10%). The people that are lucky enough that can afford the going rate for employer based plans, doubt it will be much less than $7500 a year, can get into the high risk pools.

In reality, the carrot is already out there; look at the Health care reform site: Monthly increments to increase the size of the health care carrot that involve a greater and greater percentage of the population as time goes on. The "Obamacare law" can be eliminated, but whomever is in power will have to figure out how to keep the carrot in place, no matter how large it is, or they will be seen as throwing a very large stick at the general population.

If the carrot is kept in place, no mandate means either a significant rise in insurance costs to support the carrot or government subsidies to support the insurance companies. Either way, approximately the amount of money that would have been generated by the mandate, will be needed to support the program.

People may keep what is considered by many as their right not to buy insurance, but in the long run they or their children may still have to pay close to the same price for the insurance they don't get, in the form of additional taxes to pay for everyone elses carrot and/or higher health costs when they need health care.

Inuyasha, you're delusional. 161 Republican Amendments made it in to the PPACA. Republicans were involved repeatedly along the way. Every single healthcare reform plank that the GOP posted on their website was incorporated into the bill, at least to some extent.

And feel free to contrast that with the behavior of the GOP during the Bush administration. Bush quite readily steamrolled any opposition. There was no talk of "bipartisanship." To Republicans, "bipartisanship" is when Democrats vote for Republican proposals.

"leftist"

Well obviously peace and love and all that hippie BS isn't going to win over the Tea Party. f**k that. If conservatives and libertarians actually had a conscience to win over they would see that the laissez faire capitalistic model of healthcare industry is inherently inhumane. They don't (at least not until they personally experience a $100,000+ medical crisis and as a result are fired from their work, thrown off their insurance, sunk forever in debt, thrown out of their home, etc...). Until that happens their attitude towards the unfortunate is "f**k you, I got mine".

How many of those amendments were added, and the Republicans had no say in the bill being written. The Democrat controlled congress that got voted out was the most corrupt congress in this country's history.





Sure whatever, Democrats actually had a lot more say in matters than you claim, furthermore Democrats controlled congress in 2007 and 2008. Also prior to that they prevented the issue with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from even being brought up on the floor of the house or the senate. Yes, Republicans did behave in a partisan fashion at times, but not nearly at the level that Democrats did. Furthermore, Republicans it seems have learned their lesson, the Democrats just blame the American people for being kicked out of office.

My god this is arrogant and asinine. The country is divided and people of all political persuasions are Americans. This populist BS of claiming that the "American People"(TM) exclusively support your own ideology is so annoying. Let the teabaggers and repugs speak for themselves. They don't speak for "the American People" unless you want to label all people who don't share your political ideology as un-American.

Last edited by marshall on 03 Feb 2011, 7:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Considering November 2010 made 1994 look like a good year for Democrats, I think I can say the American people kicked Democrats out of power out of disgust.

So everyone who disagrees with your ideology is not part of "The American People"(TM).

Maybe we could have this...

I LOVE IT!! ! I LOVE IT!! !

I can live with being a Dmfkstani! LOL

Shall we start the rallying cry now?

SECEDE! SECEDE! SECEDE! SECEDE! SECEDE!

Come on, everybody! We're gonna party like it's 1861!! !!


YEEEEEAH!! !! !! !

@ marshall
Funny, that the more intelligent part of the country would be called a derogatory term. Yes, I've been to around DC, and people could tell I wasn't from around there because I was too polite and too nice.

Actually with the way you behave, you'd probably fit right in if you went to New York City.

I mean seriously you obviously don't care if you live under a tyrannical government so how about you move to Cuba or go party with Chavez.

Inuyasha: I'm going to be honest. I think you probably could educate yourself and work on being a little bit better at expressing yourself.

That said, forget these guys. Let's all get together and hang out at Fort Sumter for the weekend! We need to see if we can get more delegates from the other states of the proposed Dmfkstani Union. Let's go ahead and get a head start on drawing up Articles of Confederation. It's going to be a bloody war, so we have to be prepared for that. I say our first order of business is to see if we can somehow annex New York State. Put a garrison in Massena right before we storm Cornwall. Montreal would likely secede and join us, since they've been trying to get away from Canada for years, and then we could possibly join forces and take the rest of Quebec and Ontario.

Ah, it's gonna be glorious...GLORIOUS!! !

Who's with me?

Sadly it looks like dumbf***istan is quite a bit larger if you go by congressional districts.

Actually you don't know me at all. I am very quiet and polite.

Also, screw Castro and Chavez. If I wanted to live under a tyrannical marxist/commie/fascist healthcare system I'd only need to move to Canada. I mean, the Canadians are so oppressed by their evil government healthcare.

this map is outdated

quite a bit more red now

The map is also not adjusted to account for the fact that those giant chunks of red in the middle are completely unpopulated. A map scaled for population shows a lot more blue.