leejosepho
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19 Feb 2011, 3:14 pm
Butterflies wrote:
It's your personal comprehension or perception of peoples posts that I feel is flawed.
Again: Opinion noted.
Butterflies wrote:
Surely somebody with a different perspective to your own, might feel differently about editing posts that conflict with your world view.
I doubt such a person would be concerned about my alleged "world view" while editing posts.
Butterflies wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
I came into this knowing trolls, sock puppets and bullies would likely feel that way.
Clearly you are insinuating that I am a troll, sockpuppet, or bully.
Nah. I am there just reflecting a bit on some previous, speculative anticipation.
Butterflies wrote:
You are a mod on what is probably the largest Autism support site on the internet.
Well aware.
Butterflies wrote:
Surely it is your duty to give a flying f**k about how you are perceived.
Surely, and please forgive the incompleteness of my previous statement. I had only meant to be begging a bit of forgiveness if/when I might occasionally appear -- see there, I do care -- a bit haughty about the fact of my no longer *having* to give a flying f**k whenever people might say whatever they do about me, and I say that within the context of someone who had previously spent nearly a half-century being bullied.
Butterflies wrote:
How you are perceived has a bearing on how people perceive this site 
Agreed, and I do thank you for this fine and admittedly-opportunistic opportunity to try to let people know this is a friendly place where trolls, sock puppets and bullies are ... well, whatever.
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19 Feb 2011, 3:42 pm
Butterflies wrote:
Surely somebody with a different perspective to your own, might feel differently about editing posts that conflict with your world view.
Leejosepho wrote:
I doubt such a person would be concerned about my alleged "world view" while editing posts
My point is, that somebody who has a different world view to yourself is likely to have a different opinion to you when it comes to editing posts. Surely, editing posts should be a last resort. Not something that you do when you dislike the content of the post.
Butterflies wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
I came into this knowing trolls, sock puppets and bullies would likely feel that way.
Clearly you are insinuating that I am a troll, sockpuppet, or bully.
Leejosepho wrote:
Nah. I am there just reflecting a bit on some speculative anticipation.
That again is insinuation. Claiming that you speculate that I am a troll, sockpuppet, or bully is as much insinuation as anything I have been accused of. At best it is double standards, at worst pure hypocrisy.
Leejosepho wrote:
about the fact of my no longer *having* to give a flying f**k whenever people might say whatever they do about me
Once again, I'll put it to you. You surely have a duty to represent this site, not just yourself. Not giving a flying f**k about what people say about you would be fine if you were just another poster. You are a mod. If people are saying that you're an over-enthusiastic editor of posts, then surely, you should be taking that on board, not arrogantly claiming not to give "a flying f**k."
Butterflies wrote:
How you are perceived has a bearing on how people perceive this site
Leejosepho wrote:
Agreed, and I do thank you for this fine and admittedly-opportunistic opportunity to try to let people know this is a friendly place where trolls, sock puppets and bullies are ... well, whatever.
Once again, you appear to be veering towards the type of insinuation that you were quick enough to pull me up for. If you expect others to avoid insinuations, then as a mod it is your job to set a good example, and avoid making veilled insinuations about others.
19 Feb 2011, 3:45 pm
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
One of my posts was modified, and I strongly disagree with the reasoning.
You don't see me whining about it. I chose to abide by WP rules and listen to the moderators.
You don't see me whining about it. I chose to abide by WP rules and listen to the moderators.
Yes I do see you whining about it
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I don't think I stepped out of line at all, and I do not believe the post needed to be edited.
19 Feb 2011, 4:08 pm
19 Feb 2011, 4:16 pm
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19 Feb 2011, 4:23 pm
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
I have removed your word "twisted" in relation to murphycops opinions. I have been on him/her to tone things down a bit, and I am asking others to watch even the subtle flaming.
You removed the word because I was attacking his opinion.
You removed the word because I was attacking his opinion.
Ah, okay. I can definitely see where a literal, stand-alone interpretation of WP rules would show my action was wrong there. However ...
A very fine line here, but the context of my actual thought (objective) behind that particular action (subjective) was that of toning things down a bit without climbing all over anyone, and there is actually at least a subtle difference between making simple mention of the mere existence of "twisted opinions" and actually suggesting a specific individual has some. However, I do not say all of that here to defend myself. Rather, that is just how and why I happened to do what I did in that specific "subtle flaming" (as I saw it) situation.
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20 Feb 2011, 9:53 am
murphycop wrote:
So when child molester's start wanting to marry their underaged prey, they should be able to, cause its their right? I'm not comparing gay people and pedo's as one in the same obviously. When a certain group can alter a religion to suit them, thats extra rights. Too bad for you if you can't see that. You have to remember the USA isn't the only country in the world. I'm not the same kind of white person that you're thinking of.
At this point you have revealed yourself to be homophobic perhaps on a sub concious level.
Why else would you have such an issue with gays getting married in church?
Why else would you bring up paedophiles?
What is it that you have against gays fighting for equal rights that every straight person automatically gets? why should we "stop" ?
Personally I share butterflies viewpoint (I'm gay too not a lesbian though
) , I don't really care about church wedding , I'm not a christian therefore it doesn't effect me [b[but[/b] there are gays who are christian and in the 21'st century they should have the right to get married where they choose , it's not an infringement on others rights whats the problem? really? 
20 Feb 2011, 10:16 am
Squid_Thing wrote:
murphycop wrote:
So when child molester's start wanting to marry their underaged prey, they should be able to, cause its their right? I'm not comparing gay people and pedo's as one in the same obviously. When a certain group can alter a religion to suit them, thats extra rights. Too bad for you if you can't see that. You have to remember the USA isn't the only country in the world. I'm not the same kind of white person that you're thinking of.
At this point you have revealed yourself to be homophobic perhaps on a sub concious level.
Why else would you have such an issue with gays getting married in church?
Why else would you bring up paedophiles?
What is it that you have against gays fighting for equal rights that every straight person automatically gets? why should we "stop" ?
Personally I share butterflies viewpoint (I'm gay too not a lesbian though
) , I don't really care about church wedding , I'm not a christian therefore it doesn't effect me [b[but[/b] there are gays who are christian and in the 21'st century they should have the right to get married where they choose , it's not an infringement on others rights whats the problem? really? Because you'll NEVER STOP!! !!
He never did explain what exactly he meant by that. Or what he thinks the ultimate goal of gay rights people actually IS that he fears so much.
20 Feb 2011, 5:52 pm
Butterflies wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
murphycop wrote:
Butterflies wrote:
murphycop wrote:
TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
You said they already HAVE extra rights. Give just one example, and I may lend some credence to your twisted opinions.
I dunno, gay tv, where's straight tv? Gay bars, where's the straight bars? All of them I guess, but you couldn't call them straight bars. And Like I said, people can be sued for being homophobic, but not heterophobic.
Anyway, gay people have it pretty good here. I know a lot of the US is way behind us. A lot of people who are against homosexuals, seem to have the view, "just keep your perversions behind closed doors".
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I dunno, gay tv, where's straight tv?
Cable is full of straight porn channels
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Anyway, gay people have it pretty good here. I know a lot of the US is way behind us. A lot of people who are against homosexuals, seem to have the view, "just keep your perversions behind closed doors
I wouldn't say we've got it all that good at all. I've remained in the closet to avoid the trouble and harrasment that comes with being openly gay. I know a few gay people in the town that I live in, and they can't walk down the street without being verbally abused. They have regularly had their property vandalized. And on top of that gay marriage is still not allowed, and AFAIK in the case of gays who have maried abroad, still not legally recognized.
It is full of straight porn channels yes. Does it say straight porn tv?
Well sorry you're put in that situation, i'm not saying the country has no homophobes left in it, but as far as the media goes, you can't say a bad word against gay people. How did people know that couple were gay, or did they just assume cause they were living together? Being against homosexuals is fair enough I guess, but when they start bullying them and vandalizing their property, they need to be dealt with by the police. But for criminal damage and verbal abuse, they shouldn't be punished more severely cause the incidents were aimed at gay people.
I don't think that the media in this country is homophobic.
Of course all of these kids aren't all goint to go out and beat up gays, but in a group they will shout abuse, or throw things.
The gay people that I was talking about are openly gay. They make no secret of their sexuality.
I didn't say that. I meant they are very pro gay.
They'll do that to anybody, not just gays.
Well I guess a lot of people still don't like it shoved in their faces. I can't really blame them for that, its no excuse to do what they did though.
That's a pretty shocking statement. Being openly gay is not shoving it in anybodys face. People shouldn't be forced to hide their sexuality to avoid offending others.
OK, you're not condoning violence against gays, but why can you not blame people for taking offence at people being openly gay, and not hiding it?
Seeing two men kiss can make some people cringe, I can understand why.
I know they shouldn't be forced to hide their sexuality, but at the same time people shouldn't be told what they are meant to feel, thats insane.
TBH they don't walk down the street kissing or holding hands. That would be suicide here.
No, you can't tell people how to think. You can't tell the white supremacist that he must feel respect towards other races, but you can make it illegal for him to act on his feelings.
I see very little difference between racists, homophobes, and bigots of other types.
I'm not any of those by the way, I just don't like all the double standards that are created by this "equality" BS. I have black friends, gay friends etc. They don't round crying for equality, they just get on with their life's.
