22 Apr 2011, 10:09 am
Vigilans wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Lol. I'm just being silly, get your facts straight. And you called me a f***ing idiot, so how would that be seen?
Accurately
Hehehe, that wasn't bad for you.
22 Apr 2011, 10:13 am
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22 Apr 2011, 10:31 am
Tequila wrote:
sartresue wrote:
Was it always this way for you Brits? 
It is the case, more or less, for every member state of the EU. Britain has gradually ceded its sovereignty to the EU, in stages, since 1973. It has only really become noticeable, though, in the last 10-15 years.
You have a system where the prime minister and government in this country pretend to be sovereign nations, capable of setting their own rules, but often cannot (as they're overruled by EU law). As well as that you also have a problem that British people are terrible rule-followers. While the French simply shrug and ignore a new EU law that it doesn't like, the British follow it to the letter even when it is very much against the country's interests to do so (the Common Fisheries Policy is one of them in that the EU has killed off our fishing industry - the Icelanders must be thanking their lucky stars that they don't have this - hell, they still haven't got over beating us in the 1970s!).
It's an insane system. I could go on forever about it. The EU is autocratic, anti-democratic, hideously expensive, and hugely corrupt.
And then there is the nakedly anti-democratic nature of the EU's elite. They'll give you referendums, but if you give them the 'wrong' answer back they'll make you vote again until you give them the 'right' one.
European ReUnion topic
I was doing some research into the history/philosophy of the European Union, and a wise idea is to look into some of the problems with institutionalization of politics. Some of the links redirected me to a scholarly researcher named John McCormick who has studied Europeanism, analyzing just what it is that makes Europeans tick, that is their values, wants, and needs to make this area of the world a better place. So far I have not found whether these findings have been considered/implemented by your European Parliament, but this may have been a better study to implement before developing a federation of diverse nations. However, better late than never.
Instead of a locked focus on the negatives, rediscover the positives and work with them instead of retreating into a nationalist backlash, typified by maladaptive political movements such as BNP.
22 Apr 2011, 10:44 am
sartresue wrote:
Tequila wrote:
sartresue wrote:
Was it always this way for you Brits?
It is the case, more or less, for every member state of the EU. Britain has gradually ceded its sovereignty to the EU, in stages, since 1973. It has only really become noticeable, though, in the last 10-15 years.
You have a system where the prime minister and government in this country pretend to be sovereign nations, capable of setting their own rules, but often cannot (as they're overruled by EU law). As well as that you also have a problem that British people are terrible rule-followers. While the French simply shrug and ignore a new EU law that it doesn't like, the British follow it to the letter even when it is very much against the country's interests to do so (the Common Fisheries Policy is one of them in that the EU has killed off our fishing industry - the Icelanders must be thanking their lucky stars that they don't have this - hell, they still haven't got over beating us in the 1970s!).
It's an insane system. I could go on forever about it. The EU is autocratic, anti-democratic, hideously expensive, and hugely corrupt.
And then there is the nakedly anti-democratic nature of the EU's elite. They'll give you referendums, but if you give them the 'wrong' answer back they'll make you vote again until you give them the 'right' one.
European ReUnion topic
I was doing some research into the history/philosophy of the European Union, and a wise idea is to look into some of the problems with institutionalization of politics. Some of the links redirected me to a scholarly researcher named John McCormick who has studied Europeanism, analyzing just what it is that makes Europeans tick, that is their values, wants, and needs to make this area of the world a better place. So far I have not found whether these findings have been considered/implemented by your European Parliament, but this may have been a better study to implement before developing a federation of diverse nations. However, better late than never.
Instead of a locked focus on the negatives, rediscover the positives and work with them instead of retreating into a nationalist backlash, typified by maladaptive political movements such as BNP.
Well the EU have a peaceful intention of European unity tho the idea is not an new one its been around since Charlemagne. Most of the pre 1945 European unity plans have involved military action.
22 Apr 2011, 12:42 pm
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Lol. I'm just being silly, get your facts straight. And you called me a f***ing idiot, so how would that be seen?
Accurately
Hehehe, that wasn't bad for you.
No more than you deserve after the mental gymnastics you seem to like pulling off
As I said to satresue earlier I am open to moving on from this if you'll stop trying to provoke me and insult me. I've been civil with you and it hasn't really seemed worthwhile, but I am not one to hold a grudge. I'm not even mad at you, I just don't beat around the bush with people that feel the need to f**k with me because they disagree
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22 Apr 2011, 12:50 pm
22 Apr 2011, 1:50 pm
Vigilans wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Lol. I'm just being silly, get your facts straight. And you called me a f***ing idiot, so how would that be seen?
Accurately
Hehehe, that wasn't bad for you.
No more than you deserve after the mental gymnastics you seem to like pulling off
As I said to satresue earlier I am open to moving on from this if you'll stop trying to provoke me and insult me. I've been civil with you and it hasn't really seemed worthwhile, but I am not one to hold a grudge. I'm not even mad at you, I just don't beat around the bush with people that feel the need to f**k with me because they disagree
I think you're overestimating how much I care. I see it as you still having arse ache about the pot thread, cause I didn't agree with you. Thats why you've followed me around in threads a few times, trying to take shots, and putting one of my threads in the mod thread to be moved. I don't take this whole online thing as seriously as I used to, so i'm not interested in "f*****g with you". Maybe if you just took me as though i'm messing around, and half joking all the time when I post, cause mostly I am. Using quotes and jokes, and seeing if anyone gets it, or knows what i'm quoting from. Most of the time people are taking it all literally, which can be hillarious or kind of annoying.
22 Apr 2011, 1:58 pm
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Lol. I'm just being silly, get your facts straight. And you called me a f***ing idiot, so how would that be seen?
Accurately
Hehehe, that wasn't bad for you.
No more than you deserve after the mental gymnastics you seem to like pulling off
As I said to satresue earlier I am open to moving on from this if you'll stop trying to provoke me and insult me. I've been civil with you and it hasn't really seemed worthwhile, but I am not one to hold a grudge. I'm not even mad at you, I just don't beat around the bush with people that feel the need to f**k with me because they disagree
I think you're overestimating how much I care. I see it as you still having arse ache about the pot thread, cause I didn't agree with you. Thats why you've followed me around in threads a few times, trying to take shots, and putting one of my threads in the mod thread to be moved. I don't take this whole online thing as seriously as I used to, so i'm not interested in "f***ing with you". Maybe if you just took me as though i'm messing around, and half joking all the time when I post, cause mostly I am. Using quotes and jokes, and seeing if anyone gets it, or knows what i'm quoting from. Most of the time people are taking it all literally, which can be hillarious or kind of annoying.
You're actually the one who keeps bringing up the pot thread, I could care less. You keep bringing it up, I keep telling you I don't care. I don't follow you around threads, that is just ridiculous, you post a thread in the PPR that interests me, expect me to reply. Don't flatter yourself. Even that reply stinks of your piss-poor attitude. I commented on a really stupid thing you said in this thread, and you decided to launch into some tirade linking your views on 'racism' to mine on 'marijuana', which is a false equivalency that I'm still unsure you arrived at. I don't take you as messing around, because I don't think you are. You make statements, then when I question you on them, you answer with stupid videos or vague things like 'you know what I'm talking about'. Essentially, your entire line of discourse amounts to 'NO YOU ARE!'- you're a god damn man-child. You insult people, then immediately turn around and act like everyone is misunderstanding you. Just stop being a dick, and nobody will misunderstand you
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22 Apr 2011, 2:36 pm
benjimanbreeg wrote:
Thanks for reinforcing my point benji. I hope your interactions IRL aren't this bad, I really pity you
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