ValentineWiggin
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ValentineWiggin
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Joined: 15 May 2011
Age: 38
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,907
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08 Apr 2012, 7:19 pm
08 Apr 2012, 8:13 pm
08 Apr 2012, 8:49 pm
08 Apr 2012, 9:33 pm
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
in Alberta we have a lot of oil, and therefore a lot of money. in the southern area there are ranches and a sort of cowboy culture. there are a large number of unnecessary pick-up trucks and a lot of hunters and such. Alberta is known for being very conservative (by Canadian standards). we also have thriving arts and culture, but we are not known for that
That's true. tbh my first thought when Alberta comes up is the film FUBAR
oh yes, exactly!! !! i lived on reserves for 4 years and i grew up in the 80s... the movie was very very familiar.
Ragtime, you are mixing up men and women. it's not women who traditionally held the power in our society, it is men (analogous to the white people in your example).
08 Apr 2012, 9:37 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
in Alberta we have a lot of oil, and therefore a lot of money. in the southern area there are ranches and a sort of cowboy culture. there are a large number of unnecessary pick-up trucks and a lot of hunters and such. Alberta is known for being very conservative (by Canadian standards). we also have thriving arts and culture, but we are not known for that
That's true. tbh my first thought when Alberta comes up is the film FUBAR
oh yes, exactly!! !! i lived on reserves for 4 years and i grew up in the 80s... the movie was very very familiar.
Ragtime, you are mixing up men and women. it's not women who traditionally held the power in our society, it is men (analogous to the white people in your example).
That's really irrelevant to the point I'm making.
08 Apr 2012, 9:38 pm
08 Apr 2012, 9:43 pm
08 Apr 2012, 9:47 pm
Ragtime wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
in Alberta we have a lot of oil, and therefore a lot of money. in the southern area there are ranches and a sort of cowboy culture. there are a large number of unnecessary pick-up trucks and a lot of hunters and such. Alberta is known for being very conservative (by Canadian standards). we also have thriving arts and culture, but we are not known for that
That's true. tbh my first thought when Alberta comes up is the film FUBAR
oh yes, exactly!! !! i lived on reserves for 4 years and i grew up in the 80s... the movie was very very familiar.
Ragtime, you are mixing up men and women. it's not women who traditionally held the power in our society, it is men (analogous to the white people in your example).
That's really irrelevant to the point I'm making.
it's the point you are inadvertently making, though. white supremacists fighting for white protection can only really be compared to another social group that have held power in our society in recent history. like.... men.
08 Apr 2012, 10:05 pm
08 Apr 2012, 10:25 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
in Alberta we have a lot of oil, and therefore a lot of money. in the southern area there are ranches and a sort of cowboy culture. there are a large number of unnecessary pick-up trucks and a lot of hunters and such. Alberta is known for being very conservative (by Canadian standards). we also have thriving arts and culture, but we are not known for that
That's true. tbh my first thought when Alberta comes up is the film FUBAR
oh yes, exactly!! !! i lived on reserves for 4 years and i grew up in the 80s... the movie was very very familiar.
Ragtime, you are mixing up men and women. it's not women who traditionally held the power in our society, it is men (analogous to the white people in your example).
That's really irrelevant to the point I'm making.
white supremacists fighting for white protection can only really be compared to another social group that have held power in our society in recent history. like.... men.
The point I'm making is about what these white people presently believe they should do to protect all white people in the city mentioned. It's no different than people of a certain gender protecting everyone of that gender. I believe both of these to be wrong. The past does not change the fact that we are all human beings, and therefore should all act equally kindly to one another in the present, if there's to be any general notion of morality. To take my people for example, it is no more right for a Jew to kill a German than it is vice versa. "Of course, because all Germans aren't descendents of Nazis", you might reply. And not all males are descendents of males who oppressed women. Yet, feminism goes not by which individuals actually oppress women (and some of those oppressors are actually women themselves), but rather by whoever has a penis and doesn't identify as a feminist, in defining their obstacles to female empowerment.
Would you be saying that blacks can defend blacks from violence, but whites should not defend whites from violence? Because of the past? But, what of the present? Where does this social imbalance you advocate for ever end? Discrimination is discrimination.
I don't believe "Black Power good, White Power bad", I believe in the individual, and that the individual is not defined by the color of his or her skin, nor by what is between his or her legs. We are ALL equals. There shouldn't be different standards of acceptable behavior based on either race or sex.
Last edited by Ragtime on 08 Apr 2012, 10:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.
08 Apr 2012, 10:27 pm
Ragtime wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
in Alberta we have a lot of oil, and therefore a lot of money. in the southern area there are ranches and a sort of cowboy culture. there are a large number of unnecessary pick-up trucks and a lot of hunters and such. Alberta is known for being very conservative (by Canadian standards). we also have thriving arts and culture, but we are not known for that
That's true. tbh my first thought when Alberta comes up is the film FUBAR
oh yes, exactly!! !! i lived on reserves for 4 years and i grew up in the 80s... the movie was very very familiar.
Ragtime, you are mixing up men and women. it's not women who traditionally held the power in our society, it is men (analogous to the white people in your example).
That's really irrelevant to the point I'm making.
white supremacists fighting for white protection can only really be compared to another social group that have held power in our society in recent history. like.... men.
The point I'm making is about what these white people presently believe they should do to protect all white people in the city mentioned. It's no different than people of a certain gender protecting everyone of that gender. The past does not change the fact that we are all human beings, and therefore must all act equally kindly to one another in the present. To take my people for example, it is no more right for a Jew to kill a German than it is vice versa. "Of course, because all Germans aren't descendents of Nazis", you might reply. And not all males are descendents of males who oppressed women. Yet, feminism goes not by which individuals actually oppress women (and some of those oppressors are actually women themselves), but rather by whoever has a penis and doesn't identify as a feminist, in defining their obstacles to female empowerment.
Would you be saying that blacks can defend blacks from violence, but whites should not defend whites from violence? Because of the past? But, what of the present? Where does this social imbalance you advocate for ever end? Discrimination is discrimination.
I don't believe "Black Power good, White Power bad", I believe in the individual, and that the individual is not defined by the color of his or her skin, nor by what is between his or her legs. We are ALL equals. There shouldn't be different standards of acceptable behavior based on either race or sex.
i didn't say anything either way about black people or white people defending themselves. i only pointed out that your analogy doesn't work. you'll need to try a different one.
feminists aren't seeking to protect women either. not sure where you got that idea from.
08 Apr 2012, 10:30 pm
hyperlexian wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
Vigilans wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
in Alberta we have a lot of oil, and therefore a lot of money. in the southern area there are ranches and a sort of cowboy culture. there are a large number of unnecessary pick-up trucks and a lot of hunters and such. Alberta is known for being very conservative (by Canadian standards). we also have thriving arts and culture, but we are not known for that
That's true. tbh my first thought when Alberta comes up is the film FUBAR
oh yes, exactly!! !! i lived on reserves for 4 years and i grew up in the 80s... the movie was very very familiar.
Ragtime, you are mixing up men and women. it's not women who traditionally held the power in our society, it is men (analogous to the white people in your example).
That's really irrelevant to the point I'm making.
white supremacists fighting for white protection can only really be compared to another social group that have held power in our society in recent history. like.... men.
The point I'm making is about what these white people presently believe they should do to protect all white people in the city mentioned. It's no different than people of a certain gender protecting everyone of that gender. The past does not change the fact that we are all human beings, and therefore must all act equally kindly to one another in the present. To take my people for example, it is no more right for a Jew to kill a German than it is vice versa. "Of course, because all Germans aren't descendents of Nazis", you might reply. And not all males are descendents of males who oppressed women. Yet, feminism goes not by which individuals actually oppress women (and some of those oppressors are actually women themselves), but rather by whoever has a penis and doesn't identify as a feminist, in defining their obstacles to female empowerment.
Would you be saying that blacks can defend blacks from violence, but whites should not defend whites from violence? Because of the past? But, what of the present? Where does this social imbalance you advocate for ever end? Discrimination is discrimination.
I don't believe "Black Power good, White Power bad", I believe in the individual, and that the individual is not defined by the color of his or her skin, nor by what is between his or her legs. We are ALL equals. There shouldn't be different standards of acceptable behavior based on either race or sex.
i didn't say anything either way about black people or white people defending themselves. i only pointed out that your analogy doesn't work. you'll need to try a different one.
feminists aren't seeking to protect women either. not sure where you got that idea from.
Should I give you a list of the well-known feminists I got that idea from?
08 Apr 2012, 10:31 pm
08 Apr 2012, 10:34 pm
