Do you think marijuana should be legalised?

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04 Apr 2012, 5:16 am

I think it should be legalized, but I don['t think it should be taxed. I think people should just be able to grow it freely without it being corrupted by commerce or government.



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04 Apr 2012, 5:25 am

I would love to try and experiment with true cannabis cigar making; using different aging and curing techniques to make a product that was both intoxicating and enjoyable to consume. I had a friend who used to grow that did some interesting things with desiccants to hasten curing, but that was purely for shortening his turnover time and not for flavor or anything.


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04 Apr 2012, 7:18 am

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Yes. The war on drugs is a massive failure and the whole reason marijuana even got banned is because of economic interests and racism. The road to prohibition was paved with bad intentions from the start.


Racism? I have only read about the economic interests part of it


lol you'd be surprised.......but apparently in some states it was thought marijuana caused black people created 'evil', 'satanic' blues and Jazz music to seduce white females with. I forget where I found that and will have to look it up again, but yes that sort of thing does play a role.
Harry J. Anslinger, what a bastard. Anyone who's interested in the racial motivation of banning weed should look him up.



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04 Apr 2012, 9:21 am

Honestly if alcohol is legal I don't see how pot can't be. Smoking and driving should exactly be treated as drinking and driving. As for myself, I wouldn't use it since I know I have an addictive personality but I certainly don't assume everyone else does. For those that do, it would be no different than people who abuse alcohol.


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04 Apr 2012, 10:55 am

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Honestly if alcohol is legal I don't see how pot can't be. Smoking and driving should exactly be treated as drinking and driving. As for myself, I wouldn't use it since I know I have an addictive personality but I certainly don't assume everyone else does. For those that do, it would be no different than people who abuse alcohol.



But MissConstrue.......It leads to insanity!

ValentinWiggin said so and therefore it must be true. :P



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04 Apr 2012, 11:22 am

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You're pretty much going round in circles now. I've made my point, shared my views and I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this thread.


Alright I posted my opinion and you aggressively shot it down, can't blame me for standing my ground in a rather defensive manner especially if you tell me my opinion is 'paranoid' and 'delusional' even though I've only based it on facts. But good for you there are pleanty of other threads anyways.


You wrote "NO NO NO!" as the first 3 words to my suggestion.... And you think I'm the aggressive one?? :roll:


Well that was more directed at I would hate to see what the pharmaceutical companies would do to cannabis......not you as a person. But yes I suppose it could have come off that way. Either way I see no reason why I should trust the pharmaceutical companies, I mean really why should I? And obviously if I don't trust them I am not going to want them in charge of cannabis..I mean its a very nice plant with nice effects what is wrong with allowing people to grow it themselves for personal use? we don't need the pharmacutical companies to turn it into a pill or add more chemicals to it while barring people from being allowed to grow a bit themself. Not that its going to be legal any time soon if at all.


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06 Apr 2012, 11:31 am

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Who's to say they would put the price up? And maybe you would take extra care to ensure the highest quality cannabis, but not everyone would. I really don't think most dealers give a crap about quality really, just money, and they can charge whatever they want as it's all freelance.


They would be handed a legal monopoly on the substance, allowing them to decide the price. As is it is not a very expensive product (depending on where you are) and pharmaceutical companies do not like products that do not make them a lot of money. Besides that a recreational substance should not be controlled by them. The market for openly selling cannabis would be much larger and more accessible. To sell tainted products would be to commit commercial suicide. Legal suicide as well since there would be regulations for anyone who wants to sell it. There could easily be large cannabis companies akin to Budweiser or Heineken that have standards of quality as brand name corporations. Here in Quebec we have a very open cannabis culture and quality is indeed important otherwise customers just move on. It is heavily freelance already... but despite this most vendors sell at equal prices and have similar bulk deals depending on the quality or product. I once heard a joke that cannabis trade is the "last vestige of free enterprise left in America".

I think the ideal situation would be as follows:
-Government run cannabis shops akin to liquor commissions
-All laws applicable to alcohol and tobacco now applicable to marijuana
-Individuals may grow maximum three plants for personal use with a license
-Individuals may grow maximum twenty plants for limited distribution with a license, background check and regular inspections (like a microbrewery, essentially)
-All refined THC products may only be sold in government "cannabis commissions" (this means hashish, qif, extract, pills, foods)


Hmmmm, good point. Could very well work that way.


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06 Apr 2012, 8:08 pm

AspieRogue wrote:
MissConstrue wrote:
Honestly if alcohol is legal I don't see how pot can't be. Smoking and driving should exactly be treated as drinking and driving. As for myself, I wouldn't use it since I know I have an addictive personality but I certainly don't assume everyone else does. For those that do, it would be no different than people who abuse alcohol.



But MissConstrue.......It leads to insanity!

ValentinWiggin said so and therefore it must be true. :P


It can she didnt state that it would as a fact because she showed no proof :wink:



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07 Apr 2012, 5:39 am

Vigilans wrote:
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Who's to say they would put the price up? And maybe you would take extra care to ensure the highest quality cannabis, but not everyone would. I really don't think most dealers give a crap about quality really, just money, and they can charge whatever they want as it's all freelance.


They would be handed a legal monopoly on the substance, allowing them to decide the price. As is it is not a very expensive product (depending on where you are) and pharmaceutical companies do not like products that do not make them a lot of money. Besides that a recreational substance should not be controlled by them. The market for openly selling cannabis would be much larger and more accessible. To sell tainted products would be to commit commercial suicide. Legal suicide as well since there would be regulations for anyone who wants to sell it. There could easily be large cannabis companies akin to Budweiser or Heineken that have standards of quality as brand name corporations. Here in Quebec we have a very open cannabis culture and quality is indeed important otherwise customers just move on. It is heavily freelance already... but despite this most vendors sell at equal prices and have similar bulk deals depending on the quality or product. I once heard a joke that cannabis trade is the "last vestige of free enterprise left in America".

I think the ideal situation would be as follows:
-Government run cannabis shops akin to liquor commissions
-All laws applicable to alcohol and tobacco now applicable to marijuana
-Individuals may grow maximum three plants for personal use with a license
-Individuals may grow maximum twenty plants for limited distribution with a license, background check and regular inspections (like a microbrewery, essentially)
-All refined THC products may only be sold in government "cannabis commissions" (this means hashish, qif, extract, pills, foods)


I like that model, except for the limitations on home growing for personal use. I don't see why it should require a license, and the three plants limit is too low imho. If you can legally grow cannabis and have a yard, there is little reason to grow indoors in a tent. One would rather save electricity and plant outdoors. You'd get a higher yield but only one crop cycle per year, since you have to rely on the natural annual photocycle. And you have to grow from seeds instead of cuttings / clones.

Some seeds may not germinate, so you'll want to use more than three. But if you plant four seeds (or germinate them in a wet tissue) and all of them sprout, you have already violated the law by owning one plant too many. What's worse, the plants might all turn out to be male, and male plants are pretty much useless since they don't grow buds. (You can theoretically produce hash from the leaves, but it won't be very potent and it's just too much of a hassle). So you'll only want female plants.

Once the plants are old enough to detect their gender, it might be too late to start over when you grow outdoors. In order to make sure that you end up with at least three female plants, it makes sense to plant three times as many as you need. But then you're in conflict with the law again, which doesn't distinguish between male and female plants. At least existing laws in Western countries don't make that distinction.

Anyway, let's say you finally have your three female plants and dispose of the rest. An outdoor plant will yield between 100 and 400 grams, depending on the strain, the weather / sunlight conditions, the soil quality and the fertilizer. Let's assume the light conditions and soil in your hypothetical backyard are sub-optimal and you only get 100 grams per plant. That will be your stash for the entire year :? I don't smoke anymore, but back in my pothead days, I consumed about 3-5 grams per day. 300 grams would have been gone within 2-3 months.

It's pretty much the same if you grow indoors. You can control the photoperiod, grow new female plants from cuttings all year round, and get 3-4 crops per year, but the yield is much lower (about 30-50 grams per plant). Let's say 3 crops with 40 grams per plant, that's also a mere 360 grams for the entire year. Besides, you'll want to fit at least four plants into a grow closet or tent. Anything less would be a waste of space and electricity. And taking cuttings / clones for the next crop would temporarily double your amount of plants.

In other words, three plants are simply not enough. I would at least allow eight plants. Better ten to be on the safe side, and only potted or soil-rooted plants of a certain size should count towards your maximum (let's say plants larger than 20 cm in height). In addition, home growing should be legal for every adult person without the need for a license, imho.



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07 Apr 2012, 5:50 am

legalize it and tax it.

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07 Apr 2012, 9:48 am

When I was young, a hippie woman asked me which woman I would rather take home to Mother. The lady that smokes grass but believes in peace or the more respectable conservative woman who doesn't drink and smoke but believes in the military.



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07 Apr 2012, 9:53 am

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When I was young, a hippie woman asked me which woman I would rather take home to Mother. The lady that smokes grass but believes in peace or the more respectable conservative woman who doesn't drink and smoke but believes in the military.

I'll take respectable conservative girl who believes in the military who also drinks and occasionally tokes.


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07 Apr 2012, 9:57 am

So your Mother wouldn't approve of the hippie woman who let's her kids smoke pot?



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07 Apr 2012, 10:35 am

I don't smoke it and probably wouldn't even if it was legal. But I support the legalization of it. We spend billions of dollars trying to stop it when we should be making billions of dollars taxing it.



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07 Apr 2012, 1:41 pm

ruveyn wrote:
legalize it and tax it.

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If only they where smart enough to know how to tax it.

But yes I agree lealize it and tax it.



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07 Apr 2012, 1:51 pm

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So your Mother wouldn't approve of the hippie woman who let's her kids smoke pot?
I come from a family of neoconservatives and I am one myself. If they didn't know that she smoked weed or even if they knew but thought she was a good person and had a level head - fine. If she's liberal on legalization issues, rights for LGBT, atheist, but simultaneously conservative on economics and foreign policy - fine, that's among many proper neoconservative blends of ideology. At the same time I couldn't relate to a hippy, my parents couldn't relate to a hippy, and I think all four of us if we found ourselves in that position - me, my parents, and the hippy, would wonder how such a bizarre laps of common sense hit both me and her long enough for us to even bother with each other and start making family introductions.

As for what you just offered - her having a few kids (lets just take that first), they might be open minded to it albeit they'd probably rather I was serious with a girl who didn't have any kids but - if she was awesome and right for me (and vice a verse) I think they'd rather see me happy than complain about it. OTOH whether the girl was neoconservative, paleoconservative, libertarian, anarchist, statist, communist, pro-Sharia Muslim, it wouldn't matter - a girl who lets her kids smoke weed - she'd never make it in the door, she'd never make it to my parents, and I'm pretty sure my parents would look at me when she left and say something to the effect of "What on earth are you thinking?".

I think that's all 'fairly' normal but - who's to say these days.


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