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18 May 2012, 7:45 pm

I am really starting to get tired of all the greed that capitalism stands for.



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18 May 2012, 7:48 pm

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I am really starting to get tired of all the greed that capitalism stands for.


Ah, but you and I are just filled with envy for the rich. Erik Cantor even said so! :lol: :roll:

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18 May 2012, 7:56 pm

androbot2084 wrote:
I am really starting to get tired of all the greed that capitalism stands for.


You have Ronald Reagan to blame for capitalism standing for greed it was nevver supposed to be that way.



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18 May 2012, 7:57 pm

So these horrible Ebenezer Scrooge monsters think that I am envious of them?



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18 May 2012, 8:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


That's how I see things.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It goes both ways, I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative, yet both sides are guilty of partisan hackery. Liberals being more open minded is kind of encapsulated in the word and definition of "liberal" isn't it?

Some parts of the left need to be ridiculed because they are silly. As Erik Solheim, the man who has lead the work with foreign aid for Norway as a member of the far left socialist party even said that the right was correct when it came to private enterprise being the foundation of a society. Take away the incentive and means for running a private enterprise and your society dies.

Hate it as much as you want, but the rich are the foundation of every society, since they create a place to work for everyone else.



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18 May 2012, 8:42 pm

TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


That's how I see things.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It goes both ways, I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative, yet both sides are guilty of partisan hackery. Liberals being more open minded is kind of encapsulated in the word and definition of "liberal" isn't it?

Some parts of the left need to be ridiculed because they are silly. As Erik Solheim, the man who has lead the work with foreign aid for Norway as a member of the far left socialist party even said that the right was correct when it came to private enterprise being the foundation of a society. Take away the incentive and means for running a private enterprise and your society dies.

Hate it as much as you want, but the rich are the foundation of every society, since they create a place to work for everyone else.


Oh, I have nothing against free enterprise - - as long as it's regulated so workers and customers aren't hurt and exploited, and all people are able to share in the benefits of capitalism, not just the few.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 May 2012, 8:46 pm

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So these horrible Ebenezer Scrooge monsters think that I am envious of them?


Oh, yeah! That's their battle cry these days when people complain about how they're being left behind by the super rich and gigantic corporations. That way, they can put the blame on the rest of us for being whiny ingrates, and not have to feel guilty for leaving us destitute.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 May 2012, 8:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


That's how I see things.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It goes both ways, I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative, yet both sides are guilty of partisan hackery. Liberals being more open minded is kind of encapsulated in the word and definition of "liberal" isn't it?

Some parts of the left need to be ridiculed because they are silly. As Erik Solheim, the man who has lead the work with foreign aid for Norway as a member of the far left socialist party even said that the right was correct when it came to private enterprise being the foundation of a society. Take away the incentive and means for running a private enterprise and your society dies.

Hate it as much as you want, but the rich are the foundation of every society, since they create a place to work for everyone else.


Oh, I have nothing against free enterprise - - as long as it's regulated so workers and customers aren't hurt and exploited, and all people are able to share in the benefits of capitalism, not just the few.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Define "hurt", "exploited" and "share in the benefits".



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18 May 2012, 9:47 pm

TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


That's how I see things.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It goes both ways, I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative, yet both sides are guilty of partisan hackery. Liberals being more open minded is kind of encapsulated in the word and definition of "liberal" isn't it?

Some parts of the left need to be ridiculed because they are silly. As Erik Solheim, the man who has lead the work with foreign aid for Norway as a member of the far left socialist party even said that the right was correct when it came to private enterprise being the foundation of a society. Take away the incentive and means for running a private enterprise and your society dies.

Hate it as much as you want, but the rich are the foundation of every society, since they create a place to work for everyone else.


Oh, I have nothing against free enterprise - - as long as it's regulated so workers and customers aren't hurt and exploited, and all people are able to share in the benefits of capitalism, not just the few.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Define "hurt", "exploited" and "share in the benefits".


I'll help out here:
Hurt: Typically anything that makes someone feel slighted including false claims of being wronged in an attempt to draw sympathy and/or restitution.
Exploited: Doing ones job for the agreed upon compensation. They tend to play this hand when they want the rock someone else is squatting on.
Share in the benefits: a.k.a distribution of wealth by forceful means.



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18 May 2012, 9:55 pm

Joker wrote:
Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


Yes, I'm sure on some planet liberals are never hard headed and never demonize the right.
This is not that planet.

Having clarified that; I love being demonized by the left.
It's the best indicator that I'm on the right track. :D



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18 May 2012, 10:01 pm

Raptor wrote:
Joker wrote:
Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


Yes, I'm sure on some planet liberals are never hard headed and never demonize the right.
This is not that planet.

Having clarified that; I love being demonized by the left.
It's the best indicator that I'm on the right track. :D


If you really wana piss off the left remind them that they voted against the civil rights bill and that the rigth was the ones that got it passed :lol: that always upsets my granfather a democrat.



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18 May 2012, 10:01 pm

Raptor wrote:
Joker wrote:
Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


Yes, I'm sure on some planet liberals are never hard headed and never demonize the right.
This is not that planet.

Having clarified that; I love being demonized by the left.
It's the best indicator that I'm on the right track. :D


If you really wana piss off the left remind them that they voted against the civil rights bill and that the rigth was the ones that got it passed :lol: that always upsets my granfather a democrat.



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18 May 2012, 10:37 pm

And yet 1964 saw a major shift of blacks to the Democratic party. Because the history was much more complicated than you've just described.



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18 May 2012, 10:37 pm

TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


That's how I see things.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It goes both ways, I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative, yet both sides are guilty of partisan hackery. Liberals being more open minded is kind of encapsulated in the word and definition of "liberal" isn't it?

Some parts of the left need to be ridiculed because they are silly. As Erik Solheim, the man who has lead the work with foreign aid for Norway as a member of the far left socialist party even said that the right was correct when it came to private enterprise being the foundation of a society. Take away the incentive and means for running a private enterprise and your society dies.

Hate it as much as you want, but the rich are the foundation of every society, since they create a place to work for everyone else.


Oh, I have nothing against free enterprise - - as long as it's regulated so workers and customers aren't hurt and exploited, and all people are able to share in the benefits of capitalism, not just the few.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Define "hurt", "exploited" and "share in the benefits".


Hurt and exploited - - consumers have been sold products or services that have been a been at best been a ripoff of their good money - such as those workout shoes that are supposed to give you a toned Kim Kardashian ass, but don't - and worst, are harmful to ones health - such as leaded paint, which companies had to be forced to stop selling. As for workers, they have been hurt and exploited by having their promised benefits and wages cut, or have been subjected to unsafe working conditions.
If my examples sound a bit flippant here and there, it's because I think you know what "hurt and exploited" by the free market actually entails.

Share in the benefits - - Supporters of the free market claim wealth is supposed to just trickle down on the rest of us, like Romney taking a leak on us from the roof of his mansion. So if anything, this point ought to be in the right's lexicon. This should include high wages in order to purchase products and afford higher education, job benefits, and over all good quality of life.
I fail to understand how this is considered to be theft by the underclasses. If anything, by distributing the wealth downward, there will always be an existing market that will keep the economy chugging, and make the rich richer.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 May 2012, 10:40 pm

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And yet 1964 saw a major shift of blacks to the Democratic party. Because the history was much more complicated than you've just described.


Democrats depend on the color vote such as blacks mexicans asians ect it's called pandering for votes the Dems do that well the GOP should do that too you can't win a election with out the non white vote.



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18 May 2012, 11:01 pm

Raptor wrote:
TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
TM wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
Liberals are more likely to be more open minded how ever conservatives are the ones always demonizing the left so it's the right that is not willing to work with liberals.


That's how I see things.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


It goes both ways, I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative, yet both sides are guilty of partisan hackery. Liberals being more open minded is kind of encapsulated in the word and definition of "liberal" isn't it?

Some parts of the left need to be ridiculed because they are silly. As Erik Solheim, the man who has lead the work with foreign aid for Norway as a member of the far left socialist party even said that the right was correct when it came to private enterprise being the foundation of a society. Take away the incentive and means for running a private enterprise and your society dies.

Hate it as much as you want, but the rich are the foundation of every society, since they create a place to work for everyone else.


Oh, I have nothing against free enterprise - - as long as it's regulated so workers and customers aren't hurt and exploited, and all people are able to share in the benefits of capitalism, not just the few.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Define "hurt", "exploited" and "share in the benefits".


I'll help out here:
Hurt: Typically anything that makes someone feel slighted including false claims of being wronged in an attempt to draw sympathy and/or restitution.
Exploited: Doing ones job for the agreed upon compensation. They tend to play this hand when they want the rock someone else is squatting on.
Share in the benefits: a.k.a distribution of wealth by forceful means.


Hurt - so no one - whether workers or racial minorities - have ever been slighted or hurt? There's a little thing called history that flies in the face of that assertion.

Exploited - you can't seriously believe that workers have been given a fair shake when wages and benefits have been cut, and working conditions have been abysmal. It has nothing to do with wanting "the rock someone else is squatting on." It's a simple matter of not wanting to be used and thrown aside.

Share in the benefits - It has nothing to do with forcible redistribution. It's a matter of ordinary citizens being able to take part in the American dream. Not everyone is going to start a business. Not everyone is going to get rich. But there is still no reason why Americans can't lead comfortable middle class lives, with all the buying power to keep the economy in the long run going. When organized labor was king, and everyday Americans could believably own a house and two cars, raise a family, and send the kids to college, American business was on top of the world - despite what the right would have you believe today.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer