Che Guevara: Hero or Villan?

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09 Jun 2012, 9:08 pm

The story of Che and his life is very interesting.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:10 pm

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By killing Che, you guys made a martyr of him.

He was bound to be made a martyr anyway.

Not sure about that. Ernesto *might* have lived to do a lot of awful things if he had survived, or just face the realities of holding the power, or screw up in some way, and be remembered for that. But he died while still fighting for his ideals, so he was made a martyr.

My father likes to joke about how fortunate it was for Romeo and Juliet to die as young as they did, because they didn't spend enough time together to get bored of each other, and instead perished at the height of their love, and left with a bang. This could be applied to Ernesto as well.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:10 pm

If you want to include all crimes made by atheists as crimes of atheism, then we can also include all crimes made by Christians as crimes of Christianity. Considering your gallery of exemplary men includes Hitler, I wonder if you really want to go there.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:12 pm

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You can bring Hitler up but he was not one of us regardless of what you say.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:13 pm

Then Stalin was not a true Scottm... err atheist either. He was a theist that believed he himself was god.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:14 pm

Joker wrote:

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You can bring Hitler up but he was not one of us regardless of what you say.

This reminds me of attributing crimes to communism or capitalism when they were actually caused by dictatorships following either ideology.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:14 pm

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Then Stalin was not a true Scottm... err atheist either. He was a theist that believed he himself was god.

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Um that is what most atheists leaders ended up Doing Pol Pot and Mao hell the North Korea leader is a atheist having people whorship him.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:16 pm

A guy who believes he himself is god is not an atheist. He is an.. autotheist?

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09 Jun 2012, 9:18 pm

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A guy who believes he himself is god is not an atheist. He is an.. autotheist?

Still a atheist but a bad one seeing how he is having people whorship him or her.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:20 pm

If that's still an Atheist, then a guy like Hitler who would claim himself to be a Christian would be a Christian too.

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09 Jun 2012, 9:24 pm

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If that's still an Atheist, then a guy like Hitler who would claim himself to be a Christian would be a Christian too.

Lots of people claimed to be religious to gain poltical power. Their is a such thing as lying and a such thing as using a religion as a wepon.

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09 Jun 2012, 10:17 pm

Joker wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Then Stalin was not a true Scottm... err atheist either. He was a theist that believed he himself was god.

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Um that is what most atheists leaders ended up Doing Pol Pot and Mao hell the North Korea leader is a atheist having people whorship him.

Cute play on words, there.

I love being whoreshipped, too.

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09 Jun 2012, 10:20 pm

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Joker wrote:

Vexcalibur wrote:

Then Stalin was not a true Scottm... err atheist either. He was a theist that believed he himself was god.

Next!

Um that is what most atheists leaders ended up Doing Pol Pot and Mao hell the North Korea leader is a atheist having people whorship him.

Cute play on words, there.

I love being whoreshipped, too.

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09 Jun 2012, 10:26 pm

How does Che Guevara compare to John Brown, on the hero/villain spectrum?

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09 Jun 2012, 10:28 pm

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How does Che Guevara compare to John Brown, on the hero/villain spectrum?

If your from the South he is a hero if your from up north he is a villian.

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09 Jun 2012, 11:29 pm

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I am sure he is a hero to those who believe in his cause, and an inspiration to countless others.

While we're on the topic of left-wing ideologues, does anyone find it weird that these people's revolutionaries are so popular with people who preach "peace and love", but in artwork and photos, they are often seen carrying an AK-47?

People who like Che Guevera but who preach peace and love are either ignorant or intellectually dishonest.

I also figure that Che must be rolling in his grave at how t-shirts and posters with his picture on them are now mass produced and sold for a profit. And it just generally ticks me off that people buy these things without really understanding who Che was.

Most of the people who wear his likeness are teenagers/college-aged, hoping to get a rise out of their parents.

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