Why use guns for killing

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This begs the question. IF one spends so much time in practicing martial art instead of shooting and drawing guns, he may well defeat the attacker in these cases.

STILL you have not considered the case the attacker may have a gun. What if he comes up from behind and point his gun at you? Ambush you from a covered position, catching you in the open? He can always arrange that. Are you going to bet you shoot better than your attacker?

Not so. An IED made from off the shelf items and ingredients can produce mass destruction and death much more cheaply than gun. Calculate the cost per corpse. Home made bombs win every time.

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What if I notice I'm being followed on a walkway and going towards an exit with someone suspiciously standing by it? In that case, I am prepared. Or what if I notice a bunch of dudes lined up against a wall on a parking lot at the mall? I can simply get the hell outta there and be ready to pull a gun out in case they try to follow me. You can come up with all sorts of hypothetical scenarios but in the end, it depends. Everyone is different when it comes to situational awareness. Some people are more street smart than others.

Have you ever had to say "back off, I'm holding a gun?"

Genuinely just asking rather than trying to prove any point (that's what "out of interest" means), so tell your friends not to panic.

I didn't realise anybody kept a fire extinguisher in their home. I would have thought you'd just fight fire with fire

what if, what if, what if, what if, what if, ad nauseam......
There's always going to be a what if and I'm not going to bother to keep explaining everything to you.
The long and short of it is that I do have a CCW permit, I do have guns, and I'm going to keep both and eventually get more guns, period.

That involves not walking through life with your head up your ass. If you keep alert to what's around you, you can drastically reduce the odds of someone catching you by surprise. There is no such thing as a perfect formula to prevent an attack any more than there is to carry out an attack. If you are not walking down the street or through a parking lot killing brain cells listening to lady gaga on your ipod and playing angry birds on your phone, you can keep yourself in a decent defensible state.

I talked about the situational awareness thing a page or two back. Doesn't seem to matter because they've made their minds up that 2+2=3.

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Where would you find one of those even to rent?
I’d like to have one myself.

One silver lining in the clouds of our crappy gun laws is that we don't have import restrictions on them so we get the civilian variants here. These bad boys are non-restricted too so you could even hunt with them. Too bad you only get 5 shots from each mag ><

Myself, I'd just settle for a good bolt action or two if I couldn't use at least 20 round mags (preferably 30) in anything like a TAR-21 or AR15......

Jeez, how many slaughtered are there by fire extinguishers? Or apples, lets make some sh***y analogy with apples, to show how intelligently can we argue

I do not believe an average citizen can handle the responsibility to have and use gun. If he can, he is not an average. He is professional for me (not meaning police/security force as you thought earlier; my wrong expression).
And it doesn't mean I side predators. We (society) have to neutralize them in the first place. If not our society is rotten/non-functional. And anyone can protect himfelf, but there are better ways to do it than carrying guns.
Guns are not a solution, guns are the fertillizer.



Not on the street, no. Drill field I don't count




True. But then your son (anyone not such responsible as you are) gets hands on it and shoot himself or his mate by accident. Risk you accept. And I don't. And yes your son would never, your guns would never... well they do all the time.

Children should not play with matches, average citizens should not play with guns. It works like this very well in many countries out there. Wish people travel more and experience safe environment more often to see and believe it.

The bottom line is that we can hash this over all we want just for the sake of argument, not that you've been able to come up with a worthwhile argument, and it will all be for nothing.
The trend in the US has been more gun ownership and concealed carry permits issued in recent years. Those people have no interest in hearing your side of it because they have woken up to the harsh but simple realities of the world and you have nothing to offer.
It must be hell for you to see this going down and know there's nothing you can do about it.

If you can't make the kill with one shot you should not be hunting . Besides blowing your own cover with wasted shots and thus making the local area less good for hunting temporarily (as animals panic and leave), if you hit them non-lethally it can lead to a long, suffering death that is obviously not something a hunter wants to cause (hunters are more ethically sound than the industrial meat industry, imo, and should always work to maintain this superiority). Hunt with a bow or a crossbow, they are pretty silent so a miss won't ruin your afternoon

Not at all, thank's god I don't live there...

But don't be naive, the only interest "those" people have is profit. They would sell rotten socks to you if you would buy them so obediently

So why worry about it?


I was talking about the number of people that have bought guns in recent years and gotten CCW licenses.

There is actually a pretty strong argument for semi-automatic hunting rifles, as out in the woods with a living, breathing target is a whole lot different than off the bench shooting at paper. Even with perfect technique, the animal could move or the wind could gust and turn a clean shot into a wounded animal nightmare, particularly if the animal can be dangerous. With a semi, a rapid follow up shot can solve those problems before they turn into tragedy and unnecessary suffering for the animal, something not always possible with a bolt gun. Incidentally, the reason that African big game hunters used to use those huge double rifles was for the same reason someone might hunt with a semi-auto today, the availability of a rapid follow up shot, though in the case of cape buffalo, rhinos and elephants it was less about humanely taking the animal and more about having a second shot if the thing turned on you.

Bow hunting can be some of the worst for the animal, arrows just don't pack the terminal ballistics of hunting bullets, and must instead rely upon cutting surfaces (broadheads, articulated broadheads, etc) to cause enough bleeding to disable the animal. This is a much slower demise than a bullet through the vitals, and I'd have to imagine a more painful one. Hunt with a silencer if you want to be able to miss with impunity, it's becoming legal in more and more states and offers all the advantages of a hunting rifle without the noise pollution.