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25 Mar 2019, 6:58 pm

Grimdalus wrote:
As said above would a communist nation full of autistics survive longer than a NT one? Why or why not? Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.
I believe if we can collectively work as a team, working with our strengths we will be able to outperform an NT nation. The Austitic communist nation shall be abbreviated to the ASR(Austitic Socialist Republic) for easy forum reference.


Could never ever be effective, imo...
Autistics overwhelmingly are individualists and not team players... 8)

Communism embraces a collective mentality, imo...
Probably one of the worst political ideologies for us...<shrug>

Give me a better argument and I will listen... :wink:



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25 Mar 2019, 10:05 pm

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But monopolies would favour them even less. If you think rationally would you rather support the company that gives disabled people a chance to work or the one that doesn't give disabled people a chance.

Noble but impractical.

People don't have the time to research this every time they purchase a product. Production chains are very long and complex, they involve an endless lists of businesses. Most consumers don't have disabilities, and non-disabled people have more purchasing power.

I can agree with you.
What do you think about the Paris Commune?



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25 Mar 2019, 10:14 pm

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Do you think you would have the computer or smartphone that you are currenty using right now without competition.


Collaboration made my computer and smartphone. These inventions are built off of knowledge accumulated from generations of people.

We are charged for these products even though we already invested in all of the technology with our tax dollars.


Academic research is built on a competitive model not collaborative. Where that tax money goes is heavily contested.

Second of all, no academic lab takes something to the level of being market ready. Companies do all the optimization there.


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26 Mar 2019, 8:52 pm

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... the Soviet Union was "communist" for the masses -- but very capitalist for the "elite."
Aren't all Communist/Socialist regimes that way?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." -- George Orwell, in Animal Farm

Why is it so hard to build a communist-in-practice state?


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26 Mar 2019, 9:30 pm

RushKing wrote:
Collaboration made my computer and smartphone

It sure did! No one person could make your computer or smartphone from raw materials. Very few individuals could afford to build the factory.

Capitalism is great for collaboration. By getting investors, the cost and the risk of building the factory can be shared, rather than assumed by one person.

Smartphones and personal computers are the products of capitalism and collaboration.


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27 Mar 2019, 10:38 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
... the Soviet Union was "communist" for the masses -- but very capitalist for the "elite."
Aren't all Communist/Socialist regimes that way?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." -- George Orwell, in Animal Farm

Why is it so hard to build a communist-in-practice state?


Humans tend toward hierarchy. Trying to build a non-hierarchal society is probably impossible.


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27 Mar 2019, 12:21 pm

RetroGamer87 wrote:
Fnord wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
... the Soviet Union was "communist" for the masses -- but very capitalist for the "elite."
Aren't all Communist/Socialist regimes that way? "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." -- George Orwell, in Animal Farm
Why is it so hard to build a communist-in-practice state?
Among other things, humans are, by nature, greedy. It goes against our nature to be satisfied with "just enough to get by", with being the same as everyone else, or with having the same status as everyone else. Sooner or later, people will figure out ways to have more than others, to stand out from others, and to have authority over others.

Human nature.



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16 Oct 2019, 4:48 pm

f**k capitalism.


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16 Oct 2019, 5:13 pm

Grimdalus wrote:
As said above would a communist nation full of autistics survive longer than a NT one?
No.
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Why or why not?
All forms of Communism fail to take into account human nature; specifically greed. Also, a truly Utopian society cannot exist without absolute government control over all aspects of life. Essentially, Communism is just another form of Feudalism, with the Media as the government's instrument of indoctrination and propaganda.
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Disclaimer: Any bashing of communism, Ho Chi Minh, Leon Trotsky and/or Vladimir Lenin will not be tolerated.
Ooo ... Authoritarianism is already rearing its ugly head!! "Dissent shall not be tolerated" is a Communist imperative. :roll: You have obviously picked the wrong venue to promote your ideology. Communism is a failure. Ho Chi Minh was a despot. Leon Trotsky was weak. Vladimir Lenin was an elitist.
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I believe if we can collectively work as a team, working with our strengths we will be able to outperform an NT nation.
Belief is irrelevant and proves nothing. "Teamwork" under Communism occurs only when the serfs work together for the common good of the government.
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The Austitic communist nation shall be abbreviated to the ASR(Austitic Socialist Republic) for easy forum reference.
The Autistic Communist Nation will never happen, and will go down in history as just one more failure of collective ideology.

(You might want to invest in an effective spelling checker, by the way...)


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16 Oct 2019, 5:17 pm

Somebody like me would most likely be put to death under a communist government. My bipolar disorder makes me too outspoken.



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16 Oct 2019, 7:12 pm

I suspect not. I don't believe socialism can actually work on the scale of a nation whoever is doing it, at least not in the long term.
Small scale village-level communism can work, albeit inside a tolerant, fairly capitalist territory where they can benefit from the abundance and economies of a free market and also have a place where the unhappy can escape to. Unlike the Soviet Union, they don't need to build minefields to keep people in. There also have to be strong enough ties and a shared mission to overcome the instincts and urges that inevitably pull apart utopian economic systems.
These guys and others do a fair job trying to recreate the first Christian communities. I don't know if "autism" could take the place of fervent Christianity in such a scenario. Somehow I doubt it.


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16 Oct 2019, 8:53 pm

Fnord wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
... the Soviet Union was "communist" for the masses -- but very capitalist for the "elite."
Aren't all Communist/Socialist regimes that way?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." -- George Orwell, in Animal Farm


Exactly right. This thread was originally started in 2013 so it was necro when it was resurrected. Someone in 2013 said that in Communism, the ruling class serves the working class which is a farcical statement. It's always exactly the other way around. It always has been and because of human nature, it always would be. The communist/socialist snake oil mantra for the gullible: "THIS time....it will work. Trust me/us."