ZIMMERMAN VERDICT IS IN - NOT GUILTY

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Northern Ireland is not a colony. It's an integral part of the UK and has been so since 1921. It has a 'devolved administration' (run along sectarian lines) at Stormont, where some local issues are decided there.

The majority of people (nearly all Protestants and nearly half of all Catholics) residing in Northern Ireland want to remain in the UK. There is little appetite for unification at the moment and there has never been a majority that has supported unification.

As I have said, the sectarian problems in North Belfast are as a result of a particularly intense and long-running intercommunal dispute. Relations between the two communities are particularly polarised up in that part of Belfast. Basically, residents rarely talk with the 'other side' there and tensions are extremely polarised. But those communities tend toward the extremes of NI society.

There is no discrimination against Catholics in Northern Ireland - from the government, anyway - and there hasn't been for many decades. There are sectarian tensions that flow both ways but it seems to me that most people simply want to get on with their lives and, increasingly, despise hardline and violent loyalism and republicanism equally.

How clearly it shows you did not watch the trial. For someone that cries a lot about injustice and oppression and such you sure make no effort to research the information properly and instead rely on the media to do your thinking for you.

The police records show Zimmerman had parked his truck near a clubhouse after T. had ran away. The conversation between Z and police dispatcher went on for 1 to 2 minutes longer as he was PARKED. The call ended.

Z. claims he left his car to see the street sign on the corner so that when the officer heading his way called him for his location he would be able to tell him. Z. was headed back to his car when T. CAME BACK and confronted Z. The rest is history.


Key evidence: Recording shows T. ran away from Z's truck and was no longer visible (aka he got away). Z. parked his car and talked with dispatcher for almost 2 minutes after.

In that time, T. could've been out of the area.

But he did not. T. came BACK to the same area, saw Z. and picked a fight. We know this is from T's girlfriend (or friend whatever) who was on the phone with her.. she testified she heard T. first run away from Z's location (confirms Z's police recorded call) and that he then had a brief talk with her...and next she hears is T calling out to Z FIRST.. thus confirming Z's story that it was T. who came back and confronted him.

Then you look at the next evidence: A 17 year old very fit, 6ft tall corpse with no bruises to his face, body or hands as would be expected from RECEIVING impacts (from fists or anything) and one bullet hole in the heart... and a 28 year old, shorter, not fit man with a beat up face and bruises on him. Given the other 'audio' witness testimonies that this fight was not a short one, its very hard to place Z. as an aggressor that is winning any type of fight .... he was clearly the one receiving the hits not giving them. Forensics backed him up on that. (yes, blunt force injury from a punch or even a strong pull/push pre-mortem is easily detectable in an autopsy even if it does not show visibly on the skin as a purple spot).


You want justice for what is essentially a case of a guy reporting a suspicious person to police, getting assaulted by said person and having to put a bullet on him when he was getting the snot beat out of him? Its called self defense.

Because T. happened to be black and because the media spun this circus with his kiddie pictures not his recent photo and 'record' is why we have a horde of morons buying into the media drama story.

The reality is: You just let yourself be played like a fool by those spinning the story. You bought into the rabble rousing PR ... bait, line and sinker. (along with a large population in the US and abroad lol)

Indeed, shooting was in 3. Martin was supposed to go 4, his girlfriend's house.



From 3 to 4 there's around 200 metters. You can check distances here: http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk45 ... ome600.jpg

A person walking/running makes, let's say, 6-8 km/h average. 200 metter makes 1-2 minutes.

By the time the call to 911 was ended, Martin could be in his girlfriend's house without any problem.

What the f**k he was doing in the point 3???

He was standing his ground. But if you are black and stand your ground, you are dead. If you are white and stand your ground, you are a hero.

A better question is, what was Zimmerman, who lives over on the other side of the complex, doing at at point 3? Oh he is not black, so he can be where ever he wants.

The black kid should just stay indoors all the time, so he doesn't get shot by the creepy white guy, who fears for his life every time he sees a black kid wearing a hoodie.

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Don't forget, it only works if you not only have a gun, but shoot to kill the other person.

also, wrt. a 'few instances' of anti-Irish racism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croppies_Lie_Down
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Irish_sentiment
http://www.newstalk.ie/The-EDL-is-stoki ... -in-the-UK
http://www.irishtimes.com/blogs/generat ... n-britain/

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Yep, the kid should have been carrying his own gun to defend himself against Zimmerman. Thats what the gunnuts want. Everybody should be carrying a gun all the time. But of course if Martin had shot and killed Zimmerman, being black he would have gone to prison for it. But at least he would be alive in prison.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman attacked Martin. We do know that Martin was on top of him and that Zimmerman was getting beat up. Someone was screaming for help and I doubt it was the guy on top ground and pounding. The only injuries Martin had besides the fatal gunshot was busted knuckles from beating Zimmerman's face in. Is it possible that Zimmerman initiated the fight? Sure but there is no evidence to prove that and the circumstances suggest otherwise. If Martin attacked Zimmerman then that unfortunate mistake cost him his life. In the end, the jury felt Zimmerman feared for his life and acted in self defense. The prosecution way overcharged Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder.

No, we don't "know" that. We know that Zimmerman, the only surviving witness of the event, claimed that.

As for who 'initiated' the fight, who followed whom? Who was minding his own business walking home? Who got out of his car with a gun and pursued whom?

Frankly, if some strange man who outweighed me by 50 lbs followed me in a car and then got out and started chasing me with a gun, I'd fight tooth and nail too. I'd assume that my options were, 'get shot here,' or 'get shot alone in the woods after being raped and tortured.'

Yes we do, did you watch any of the trial? Neighbor John Good, a witness actually called to the stand by the prosecution, testified under oath that he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman 'ground and pounding' him. Forensic pathologist Vincent Di Maio testified under oath as well that the evidence was consistent with Zimmerman's story and that Martin was leaning over Zimmerman when he was shot. That along with injuries sustained by Zimmerman and the lack of any besides the fatal gunshot wound to Martin seem to suggest that he was the aggressor in that fight.

So people should be able to go around picking fights with who ever they want. Then if they get their ass kicked, they can just pull out their gun, and kill the person in self defense.

This country is hopeless.

There is no evidence that Zimmerman 'picked a fight'. According to Zimmerman, Martin saw his gun while on top of him and was reaching for it when he shot him which was from the bottom from nearly point blank range. In America there is a presumption of innocence, the prosecution did not and could not prove any of the charges they brought against Zimmerman.

There is plenty of evidence. You just don't want to see it. If a video tape surfaced of Zimmerman shooting Martin in cold blood, it wouldn't be enough evidence for you.

The evidence show that a subhuman piece of trash was casing homes on his way back from the store then blindsided a man beat him then got shot thats what the evidence shows period.

So you're saying now that Martin was on top of Zimmerman, actively pounding him into the ground, but could still not only see the gun but reach for it with one hand while still pounding a larger, heavier man into the ground? With one hand, maybe?
And don't forget Zimmerman's initial testimony to the police - the B-grade movie script that directly contradicted the 9/11 tapes, with Zimmerman as the hero, and Martin saying, "You got me!" after he was shot through the heart.

I heard the sort-of-eye-witness story months ago, and way back then the 'witness' was really rather unsure of what he'd seen. But, you know, every time you recall a memory, it gets re-written in your brain... I don't doubt that he's sure of what he saw, now. What doesn't change are digital recordings, and on the 911 tapes it sounds like a kid screaming for help, not a grown man.

And it's just a coincidence that lighter skin almost always gets off when it kills darker skin in America. Like it's just bad luck - or something - that Martin's corpse was drug tested, and the murderer walked out of the police dept. without even having to piss in a cup.

If that video tape surfaced I would absolutely lead the charge against Zimmerman. You can go into my posting history back when this story first broke and the facts weren't all out and see that. However, when the cops told Zimmerman that such a tape existed, his response was "thank god". That doesn't sound like the cold-bloded murderer you make him out to be.

I don't doubt that Zimmerman thought that he'd bagged a violent "thug." That's not what's at issue, here.