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20 Jan 2014, 8:34 pm

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It was just on the news that e-cigarettes can catch on fire like a flare!Thats more dangerous than a holstered gun with the safety on.

Maybe they were drinking straight Kentucky Bourbon`.


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20 Jan 2014, 8:34 pm

^^There are quite a few articles on google about them catching on fire.I have one,and was smoking it on Amtrak till someone told me it was a three hundred dollar fine and the conductor could put me off if he wanted to.The funny thing is I thought it was ok and was just puffing away,I went to get a beer and remarked how nice the e cig was and the canteen guy warned me.They used to have a smoking car but people snuck booze on and that's where all the fights started.
My e cig is made in China,so maybe they can catch on fire.....


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20 Jan 2014, 8:49 pm

I think I posted a tutorial on turning a standard capacity magazine into high capacity magazine a few months back. The things are easiest things in the world to make in your garage. He!!, disregarding child labor laws, you could have a third grade sweat shop turning them out by the gross.


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20 Jan 2014, 9:13 pm

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I think I posted a tutorial on turning a standard capacity magazine into high capacity magazine a few months back. The things are easiest things in the world to make in your garage. He!!, disregarding child labor laws, you could have a third grade sweat shop turning them out by the gross.


That's about what it would come to if the antis had their way. I already have lots and lots of hi-cap mags, though. Especially mags for my DANGEROUS AR-15's. :D
So many hi capacity mags have been sold, especially since 2009, that banning them will only drive up the price. Even then the price wouldn't be prohibitive.


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20 Jan 2014, 9:17 pm

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It was just on the news that e-cigarettes can catch on fire like a flare!Thats more dangerous than a holstered gun with the safety on.

Maybe they were drinking straight Kentucky Bourbon`.

Maybe I should test out the Chinese made e cig with some moonshine :D
Maybe better than the Fourth of July.


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20 Jan 2014, 9:26 pm

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That's about what it would come to if the antis had their way. I already have lots and lots of hi-cap mags, though. Especially mags for my DANGEROUS AR-15's. :D
So many hi capacity mags have been sold, especially since 2009, that banning them will only drive up the price. Even then the price wouldn't be prohibitive.

Most of my family is up in Connecticut where recent gun control laws are coming down hard. From what I read there is massive non compliance going on against the forced registrations. Time will tell how it affects them.


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20 Jan 2014, 9:29 pm

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It was just on the news that e-cigarettes can catch on fire like a flare!Thats more dangerous than a holstered gun with the safety on.

Maybe they were drinking straight Kentucky Bourbon`.

Maybe I should test out the Chinese made e cig with some moonshine :D
Maybe better than the Fourth of July.
Throw in some pot and a 12 gauge and you will probably summon the ghost of Hunter. S Thompson.


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20 Jan 2014, 9:38 pm

a flower for Sherlock


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20 Jan 2014, 9:49 pm

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That's about what it would come to if the antis had their way. I already have lots and lots of hi-cap mags, though. Especially mags for my DANGEROUS AR-15's. :D
So many hi capacity mags have been sold, especially since 2009, that banning them will only drive up the price. Even then the price wouldn't be prohibitive.

Most of my family is up in Connecticut where recent gun control laws are coming down hard. From what I read there is massive non compliance going on against the forced registrations. Time will tell how it affects them.


And come next election there will probably be some Connecticut state legislators tossed out on their asses.
Registration, especially for long guns, didn't even go over well in Canada.


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20 Jan 2014, 9:54 pm

Sherlock03 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Sherlock03 wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
It was just on the news that e-cigarettes can catch on fire like a flare!Thats more dangerous than a holstered gun with the safety on.

Maybe they were drinking straight Kentucky Bourbon`.

Maybe I should test out the Chinese made e cig with some moonshine :D
Maybe better than the Fourth of July.
Throw in some pot and a 12 gauge and you will probably summon the ghost of Hunter. S Thompson.

:D I think he'd like that.My former neighbor from Snow mass had a Flying Dog Ranch hat,I coveted it.If I was a thief,I'd have stolen it.


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20 Jan 2014, 11:14 pm

What REAL Americans smoke.
http://www.grandfathersspirit.com/Ameri ... Blend.html


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21 Jan 2014, 12:28 am

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yes, there was a CCW guy who came running and helped to tackle the shooter... after he decided, logically (and in support of Dox's earlier statements) that it wasn't a good situation in which to have a shoot-out with multiple weapons. One of several heroes that day.

He came to that conclusion because the shooter was already on the ground, he didn't "help tackle him" he "helped hold him down"{snip youtube}

Ok. Doesn't really change my argument: his gun, and his status as a CCW permit holder, were pretty much irrelevant in that case.

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Wait, do these magazines jam, or not? Is there some sort of magazine magic that makes them jam when the shooter's some insane guy mowing down civilians, but not when aimed at targets in a shooting range?

Extended handgun magazines jam *all the time*. I have a 20rd mag for one of my pistols that is borderline useless. But even then, at a shooting range I can take my time and deal with failures - in an actual situation, it's entirely different.
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And didn't you just say, a couple of posts back, that switching magazines takes hardly any time at all?

Switching magazines doesn't take much time - reloading magazines once you've run out of loaded mags to switch to is what takes time. A lot of time.

Ok, if it's "borderline useless," why do you have one? Why are you opposed to limits? Why not just you, and everyone else, use multiple magazines, rather than extended magazines?
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Fifth time: CCW permits for blind people, senile people and paranoid schizophrenics: yes, or no?

I already answered you, maybe you should actually go back and read my posts.

My apologies {eating crow}.
I didn't see that post of yours; I guess I was in too much of a hurry. Correct me if I'm wrong: you're basically saying that people shouldn't have their weapons taken away, unless they have demonstrated that they are a danger to themselves or others?
If that's an accurate interpretation, doesn't that kind of invalidate, for example, the claim that CCW permit holders are better trained, and better shots, than the police? If you can't see a target to qualify on, it sort of suggests that your aim isn't going to be all that great when you're freaked out thinking that someone is trying to kill you... I sure wouldn't be blasting away at every sound on a moonless night, and I'm neither blind nor insane.

@Raptor: 'wider appeal' still doesn't = 'addictive.'



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21 Jan 2014, 1:48 am

@LKL

Got a little research project for you. Go on google and look for shootings in which a high capacity magazine made a difference, as in there *might* theoretically have been less damage done if the shooter had not used an aftermarket mag. IIRC, there are exactly TWO cases on record; the Long Island Railway shooting in the early 90s, and the Gabby Giffords shooting a few years ago, and the shooter in that case was tackled after jamming his POS extended mag, meaning it may well have been worse had he stuck to the factory standard. The Aurora shooter had a similar experience, jamming his drum magazine after only a few rounds and being forced to switch to a different weapon, where sticking to standard capacity might have allowed him to kill more people.

Since you're the one who wants to place restrictions on us, I figure it's only right that you justify them with an evidence backed rational basis, not just your demonstrably non-expert opinion.


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21 Jan 2014, 1:56 am

^^^^^^

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Hollywood_shootout


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21 Jan 2014, 4:27 am

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Only ones who died were the robbers, and just about everything they had was already illegal. All that ammo didn't do them much good now, did it?


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21 Jan 2014, 5:28 am

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Only ones who died were the robbers, and just about everything they had was already illegal. All that ammo didn't do them much good now, did it?


Special pleading. Your criteria was "Go on google and look for shootings in which a high capacity magazine made a difference, as in there *might* theoretically have been less damage done if the shooter had not used an aftermarket mag."

The case certainly fits your outline, they did far more damage with the drum mags than without. You never specified that it had to be casualties. Had it not been for the professionalism and skill of the highly outgunned LAPD, there would have been many deaths. The presence of the large amount of effective fire from the perpetrators allowed them to stand off a massive number of police officers until the SWAT unit arrived. Further, the only thing that I am aware of that was illegal was the modification to the weapons to make them fire on full automatic.


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