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16 Aug 2014, 9:15 pm

/\ Not that I've ever heard. It is an older Mauser design but if you keep the pressures down closer to what the rifle was designed for it'll last about forever. Mine was made in 1904 and is still an awesome shooter.
The 6.5mm bullet (the rifles are chambered in 6.5X55mm) has a very good ballistic coefficient so it'll retain it's long range velocity without being driven particularly fast from the muzzle.

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16 Aug 2014, 9:35 pm

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A short barreled 12 gauge pump with slugs in addition to a .44 mag would be good bear protection medicine.

I reckon a lever gun and revolver, both in .44, would be a pretty good combination. I know lots of people look down on the .44 Mag when next to the bigger lever and revolver cartridges (.444 Marlin/.45-70 with modern loads and .500 S&W), but I highly doubt a 300 grain hardcast .44 would really give anything up in practical terms if you can put the lead where it's needed. I'd still go after bear with my H&R single shot though if that's all I had (no bear where I live).

The .44 mag I'd have on my person ALL the time. The 12 gauge with slugs would always be close at hand when not carried slung. Shotgun slugs are a Motherf***er at close ranges and even out to 50 yards or better. I have a couple of .44 mags (Ruger and S&W) so I'm familiar with them.

I've been intrigued by these: http://www.tarhunt.com/tarhunt/

The problem with a lot of civilain sabot rounds in that they aren't accurate, but these are allegedly pretty good. Muzzle energy goes up to almost 5,000 ft-lbs., although I'm not sure that I want to shoot a 600-grain, .73 cal. slug with a 3-1/2 magnum's worth of powder behind it.

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16 Aug 2014, 9:42 pm

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You thinking of that as a bear country thing? Personally, I'd worry more about the cumbersomeness of the thing than the recoil, most Alaskan guides use big bore lever guns for the simple reason that they're short and handy and much less likely to get hung up in heavy brush, to say nothing of the ability to delivery multiple follow up shots quickly. A hot loaded .45-70 is a fearsome thing indeed, or just step up to one of the .458 mags made just for the purpose.

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16 Aug 2014, 9:48 pm

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Yes. You have a fairly standard military rifle from that era. Nice shooters. Mauser knew his stuff, and his designs still get copied today. For some reason people nowdays like lighter, smaller, faster loads. Even the military. Personally, I don't see the point. I like things to fall over when I hit them. The biggest reason why a .45 was introduced in the military, is because of the testing done to live animals. and pig cadavers. Anything under was considered to be not very effective. In a .308, I would prefer a 200 gr. But you have to make your own. Nobody makes them anymore. Any newer .308 win. Will not even work with a load like that. The twist is too low. (Around 11:1). As far as the swedish, and some other small reciever rifles that I am referring to are the 7.62 nato. Some have been re-drilled for a .308 win. Technically, you can put one in it anyways. These are the ones that can get dangerous sometimes if you use a .308 win in them. You can, but I wouldn't recommend it. However the one I have was made by the spanish for the use of a .308 win. It was a special americanized order.

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17 Aug 2014, 7:53 am

NobodyKnows wrote:

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A short barreled 12 gauge pump with slugs in addition to a .44 mag would be good bear protection medicine.

Call me crazy like most people do, but I have used sabots in a smooth bore no choke remington wingmaster 12ga, and not really noticed much of a difference between that and a fancy rifled 12ga. it is alot like trying to shoot a mushroom? Those are not exactly what I would call sharpshooter material.

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17 Aug 2014, 9:13 am

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A short barreled 12 gauge pump with slugs in addition to a .44 mag would be good bear protection medicine.

I don't know what that costs but it looks too expensive just to shoot slugs. It's probably for hunting deer in states where it's illegal to hunt deer with a centerfire rifle. I was talking more about protection from grizzly and brown bear attacks not to hunt with. Something that delivers big chunks of lead at close range FAST. Out of what I have I'd take my Mossberg 590A1 loaded with the best rifled slugs I can find and my Ruger Redhawk .44 mag with 300 grain bullets.

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17 Aug 2014, 9:16 am

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My Swede M96 is just part of my mil-surp collection.

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17 Aug 2014, 1:00 pm

That redhawk is all you need.

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17 Aug 2014, 1:30 pm

One more thing. If you are not actually hunting bear, I would use 150 grain cowboy loads in that redhawk. Make shure you aim in the center of your target. That way you can be assured that you probably will not hit it. It will be very loud, and shoot 2 foot flames out of the gun, obviously scaring the crap out of the bear so it runs away. :lol:

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17 Aug 2014, 1:39 pm

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You thinking of that as a bear country thing?

Not necessarily that particular rifle, but large-bore sabot rounds in general. They have some (theoretical) advantages:

1: You can change the dimensions of the barrel to maximize efficiency without changing the ballistics of the slug.
2: You can change the weight of the slug without changing its stability characteristics or aerodynamics.
3: The slug can be made out of hardened steel or even heavy tungsten alloy.

You also don't have to use shotgun casings: http://gotavapen.se/gota/cbj/cbj_syst.htm

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Personally, I'd worry more about the cumbersomeness of the thing than the recoil, most Alaskan guides use big bore lever guns for the simple reason that they're short and handy and much less likely to get hung up in heavy brush, to say nothing of the ability to delivery multiple follow up shots quickly. A hot loaded .45-70 is a fearsome thing indeed, or just step up to one of the .458 mags made just for the purpose.

Browning makes an A-Bolt slug gun with a 22" barrel. I've carried an A-bolt in .375 H&H with a 26" barrel in the woods, and snagging was definitely an issue. The A-Bolts do have a pretty ergonomic safety, so getting ready to shoot from African carry doesn't take too long.

You're right about lever-guns for follow-up shots. Pump rifles are also good in that regard, but Remington's only go up to 30-06.

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I don't know what that costs but it looks too expensive just to shoot slugs. It's probably for hunting deer in states where it's illegal to hunt deer with a centerfire rifle.

Isn't it a requirement that guns over .50 caliber have to be 'especially suitable for hunting', or something like that? Tar-Hunt was selling these to police snipers for shooting through thick glass without deflecting, so hopefully they're a little more accurate than the average deer gun. They sell special slugs for them. In a defensive gun, I don't really care what ammunition costs.

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I've heard that the Remington Accelerators were pretty bad. There are more tolerances to deal with when you make them.

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17 Aug 2014, 3:46 pm

^^^ .223, or 220 swift. Those accell odd 6 rounds are weird.

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17 Aug 2014, 4:00 pm

If you want a good velocity round, this one ought to do it

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17 Aug 2014, 5:54 pm

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I don't know what that costs but it looks too expensive just to shoot slugs. It's probably for hunting deer in states where it's illegal to hunt deer with a centerfire rifle.

I don't think shotguns with slugs are considered to be over .50 caliber as the law applies to destructive devices. Had they tried to classify absolutely everything over .50 caliber as destructive devices that would have been a mess since most shotguns are over .50 cal in bore diameter. The Tar-Hunt is supposed to be very accurate but it's not something I see myself as having a use for.

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17 Aug 2014, 8:32 pm

There's some language in the NFA clarifying that shotguns are considered "sporting purpose" despite their bore size, though I don't have the specifics at hand. There have been a number of high caliber low velocity sporting rounds introduced over the years that have passed ATF scrutiny on the matter, the .700 nitro express and the .950 JDJ coming specifically to mind.

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17 Aug 2014, 10:03 pm

I know these are definitely covered under the NFA as destructive devices.