Why are poeple on this site so obessed with feminists?

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That is possible for society to deal with anything on a individual level.





I suggest you pick up On the Genealogy of Morality by Friedrick Nietzsche. There are only two types of morality, slave morality and master morality... and other relates works.

Christianity and that modern western civilization by extension is slave morality... And slaves are always eventually subdued.

In the history of humankind there have been both patriarchy and matriarchy leaning cultures, and the key to balance in life is to know that gender roles other than who is on top and who is on bottom ARE largely culturally derived.

I am neither afraid to sexpress.. hmm.. I mean express both my so-called masculine AND feminine nature in all its innate glory so I fly free without stress of whatever the hell people want to think fits the gender roles of cultural norm in effect at this time where I live.

And yes, obviously, I look masculine on the outside but my brain is totally balanced in sex gender ID as neither one nor the other, and yes there is a cool test for that here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sex/add_user.shtml

The secret to true power of the so-called masculine survival side of human nature is actually in the feminine side of grace and loving ways, as the positive power of basing TRUE strength in unconditional love and grace is what martial artists have been doing in the east for thousands of years.

And then, these martial artists easily kick the butt of equal size boxers in the west when introduced to that style of fighting, as folks who box tend to muscle their way into fighting more than floating like a butterfly and stinging as a Bee like Muhammad Ali and me.. he HE.. in real life too. :)

The thing I like about the new age of women per equality as a feminist ideal, per the younger crowd in the rave dance halls of life is many of these girls are neither afraid to express their masculine or feminine side in balance and are wild like me.

Meanwhile, most of the 'little boys' are still doing it the way their red state daddy's taught them in be a 'big' rigid stiff man style instead of letting grace flow WITH gravity of GOD aka Mother nature TRUE WiTH the power of unconditional love, which yes, in part, is a culturally derived NEW THINGY FOR SOCIAL ANIMALS.

Anyway, as they say the proof is in the pudding of the mix of life AS is.

Well, actually no one said that but me, ha-ha!.. as far as I know.... until now.......

And here is the proof here for anyone who thinks my way of balance is just woo or whatever as the bottom line is girls like guys who ARE NOT AFRAID TO EXPRESS THEIR FEMININE SIDE in real life now, as opposed to males who are still circling around one gender pole of life REFUSING TO LEARN THE NEW WAY of success in the mating game of life.

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/12/09/gods-muse-of-dance/

I am 54, and OBVIOUSLY one of the few guys that has this basic concept of human nature figured out AT THE club I participate AT (one of the top 100 dance clubs in the US) and the girls come flocking every week to dance with me.

AND I never approach the girls, AS I'm just a married dude practicing my own style of martial arts/ballet dance there every week, as the RAVE music is a DRIVING FORCE for my 3 or 4 marathon hours of work-out there without a break or even a drink of water, as one who moves in FULL balance conserves energy even at 'warp speed', as metaphor too.

And funny as it may be, some of the same guys who had the WTF look per my style of dance at the beginning back in the end of March of this year, are now coming up to me and almost begging me to show 'em how to do it, and I tell them I have no idea as I just let all of what I am flow, and never need a lesson from anyone but what I let go of my human nature FULLY EXPRESSED WITHOUT ANY culturally derived ideas of gender poles.

But nah, I tell them the much shorter version of that there, in 'sheep' talk. ;)

I am born as a male with a mental disorder; therefore, I am the lowest class of mankind. As a male I don't have the state or other males to rescue me unlike females who have the favour of both other males and the state. Thus, Feminist is just gynocentrism out in the open as there is always someone to bail you out. I don't believe females should have a right to anything since they have never fought for the right as you don't see feminism fighting for equality in conception. Gynocentrism is basically the true root of the slave mentality as seen by the general voting patterns and psychology of women they want all the rights without any responsibility.

No true Scotsman. And another unequal definition of feminist to boot.



So you were presenting a conclusion to your own assertion which followed the conclusion? How odd.



I do hope you recognise the irony here.



Rights should only be given to those who personally fight for them?

No... all I did was answer your question. I quoted something, that you obviously missed. Sorry if that was confusing for you.

Numbers shall be from the United States.
% of Presidents that are or have been male: 100
% of SCOTUS justices that are or have been male: ~96
% of the current US Senate that is male: 80
% of the current US House that is male: ~81
(both at or near historical lows)
etc, etc, etc.


Gender of homicide victims:
77% male, 23% female
Gender of murderers:
85% male, 15% female
% of female murder victims killed by a current or former spouse or intimate partner: 64
% of male murder victims killed by a current or former spouse or intimate partner: 16

suicide attempts: 75% female, 25% male
suicide completions: 75-80% male, 20-25% female.
The difference in completion rate is largely thought to be due to preferred method of attmepts, with women preferentially choosing 'tidy' methods such as poison that will not 'leave a mess' but which take longer to be effective, allowing for bystander interventions.
Percentage of murder-suicides committed by men: 90.4
percentage of 15yrs+ males in the workforce:70.2
percentage of 15yrs+ females in the workforce: 57.7
quote:

http://www.societyhealth.vcu.edu/Page.a ... &source=13
(easier to block quote than to paraphrase on that one)

43%, according to Forbes.
Back when women weren't allowed into Universities, up until the point where female numbers surpassed male, it was said that the imbalance was because men were more rational, smarter, etc. Why does that explanation no longer fly? ;p
As of 2010, 8.5% of young men failed to complete High School & 6.3% of women failed to do so.

I've seen varying numbers for this, but this is actually one area where women do have some privilege. Women are just naturally seen as more law-abiding and innocent as compared to men in the same circumstances, especially if they're white.

Yeah. Anything else you want numbers on? That took a while to dig up, so I'm only going to keep going so far.


Not sure if that is a straw-feminist or an anachro-feminist (note that I did not say anarcho-femininist, something completely different). The majority of feminists in this day and age completely recognize intersectionality, which looks at privilege granted by race, ability, appearance, sexual preference, economic status, etc. as well as privilege granted by gender.


Let's just throw out the entire field of sociology, shall we?



If you're talking about Sweetleaf's point wrt. men and makeup, yes: that's unfair. Do you know why it's seen as worse for men to cross the gender stereotypes than for women to do the same? Because it's worse to be seen as having stereotypically female attributes than to be seen as having stereotypically male attributes. Butch lesbians get way more of a pass than transvestite men, or heaven forbid M2F transwomen. But, know what? Feminists are trying to deconstruct whatever proportions of our gender stereotypes are false, for men as well as women.


That's often because men cite non-feminists or even anti-feminists arguing for chivalry and contrast them with feminists who want equality, as if all women represented feminists and all women represented professional trophy-wives in training (a legitimate occupation, but not exactly a field that toes the feminist line). Most feminists are perfectly happy to pay for their own meals, thank you.


difficulties had by men through no fault of their own are important. Difficulties had by women through no fault of their own are important. Taken as a statistical whole, there are far more of the latter than there are of the former. It is not always appropriate to interrupt a discussion about problems faced by women with 'But what about teh menz!!??" any more than it is appropriate to interrupt a discussion about, say, black kids being shot by police with 'But what about teh whites????! !' Yes, white people face police violence too... now shut up for a while. The proportions are so different as to make a difference of kind, not just degree.
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*snort* you need to study some basic mathematical logic, darling.

They largely become single mothers, the whipping-dogs of society.

You are worse off if you are a minority with the same mental disorder, especially if you are dark-skinned hispanic or black; you are worse off if you have the same mental disorder, dark skin, and a family in poverty.


You are not correct.
http://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/statcomp ... sect01.pdf

I don't understand feminists.. I don't advocate anything except equality of every human. Regardless of race, gender, sexuality, religion, class, etc.. I despise when people label themselves and formulate an ego/ define who they are because it limits themselves from the bigger picture instead of bridging with the people who are different. It's not us vs them, but some people still formulate that mentality.

You know what, I'll just be succinct and honest; feminists are often annoying, end of story.

The US is miles behind the rest of the western world in terms of societal progress, but whatever floats your boat.

How about figures for:
% of all people that have been President
% of all people that are or have been SCOTUS justices
% of all people that sit on the Senate
% of all people that make up/have made up the House
% of eligible voters in USA that are female/male



Let's add to that the fact that 93% of all workplace deaths are males, and it becomes apparent that it's statistically far more dangerous to be a man than a woman in the US. Every one of these victims is important, yet the focus appears to be on a fraction of a fraction.



Suicide attempt statistics are notoriously inaccurate and rely almost exclusively on reports of those who have been admitted to hospital and where simple self-harm has not necessarily been ruled out.



The children are statistically insignificant to this discussion.



Why do you think it appropriate to trivialise such an important issue when it isn't one which affects women?



Likewise women are still seen (along with children) as more worthy of protection. Where do you stand on the subject of chivalric behaviour, where a man who requires protection relinquishes his masculinity but a woman retains her feminine identity?



I'm genuinely impressed that you took the time to dig up some data, and gratified that you found the time to do so in response to me. Essentially though, the statistics prove only that X% of people have it better than other people. There should be far greater onus on the privilege of inheritance over the privileges of gender.



This one I will need to see some evidence for. I've been told about this silent majority of feminists before, but they're seemingly so silent as to be anonymous. Gender privilege remains a deeply flawed concept as it is impossible to quantify the benefits of sexual identity across such broad lines. Linking back to the first part of your post, and in line with your protest, the majority of men are not Presidents, Senators, Justices, Representatives, etc. The degree of privilege offered by being born into wealth is of far greater significance.



When it comes to the fair evaluation of individual circumstances, sociology is irrelevant. I can only surmise, from your chosen form of response, that you are not pro-equality. Either you value people for their individuality, or you see them as disposable stereotypes.



No, I'm not, though I agree that it's unfair.



It's okay to lump all men together based solely on their gender, but it's not okay to loosely group feminists together based on their shared ideology? If you've read my previous posts and responses in this thread, you'll be fully aware that the conflation of 'feminist' with 'woman' is a behaviour I find tiresome - not to mention all too common.



The statistics we've reviewed so far in this thread suggest the part in underlined bold is subjective interpretation. Placing emphasis on the latter only reveals that you personally find it more important - which is fine by the way. Expecting everyone to fly the same flag, and attempting to shame those who do not, is not so fine. Of those advocating feminism in this thread alone, you are thus far the only one to not do either in lieu of an actual point.



Mathematics when applied to linguistic concepts is more an art than a science, but I'll play anyway.

Perhaps the addition of brackets will help:

(A woman with high self esteem and intelligence) =/= feminist

Still reads much the same.

Perhaps if we reverse the positions of the arguments:

Feminist =/= a woman with high self esteem and intelligence.

Still open to misinterpretation.

How about super simplifying the equation to make my point more clear:

Feminist =/= a woman.

I hope that removes any ambiguity.

So is any group when considered as a collective, you fence-sitter you.

Eh, feminists tend towards a special kind of annoying, there are even studies on it:


http://www.salon.com/2013/09/26/study_e ... s_partner/

I believe there are no such things as rights and people should remember that they are privileges. Of course right should be fought for; however, we do not fight for them and the government are slowly taking them away. Thus, as soon as we become complacent that we have a god given right that is when these rights will be taken from us. Female nature has a bad habit of destroying rights as one can look at probation as an example and how they usually back censorship such as political correctness.



It does not matter what situation we are born into there is a similar thread of "manning up" that is no different in any culture and is worst in other such as the african community.



I am correct, it just that you are looking at the basic level. Women get help through the state with the court system as they are the clear winners of the divorce system. They are also tend to get lighter sentences then men do if they commit the same crime.



The Master- slave morality is a concept from Nietzsche. To boil it down, the master morality is the ability to create one's own morals and will it into being. In contrast, the slave morality is all about subversion and to make masters slaves. Examples of the slave morality is judaism, democracy and feminism.

I agree with your first. The rest is garbage.

A just man will know that justice demands equality, be it fought for or not by the individual.

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DL

You see 20/20.

Regards
DL