People first, God second. Should people put themselves above

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Having another innocent person suffer for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral.

I am not running down your faith, although you like to think I do

I am running down your satanic morals. Now go way as I am done with you and your poor moral sense.

Regards
DL

Some groups who persecuted early Christians were compared to Satan. As àny who denied the work of The Lord were. See letters to churches in Revelation(no s)

The Lord can and does use many things and people.
To one he used a talking donkey.
Ànother it was a burning bush.

To me this year is my aging farher in law and back to all of a Gods word.

Who is my, your neighbor, led to a great answer by Jesus.

To me this thread made me think of lots of questions like
Is it Faith or by works. And many more.

Danke

You're never going to convince me, and I'm never going to convince you, so how about you just stop responding to my posts on this thread, and I'll extend the same courtesy to you.

I don't presume to understand it all either GB - it's a mystery and I've battled with it for years, but please, stop getting personal as it would be a pity to need to lock the thread due to derailment of your original intent. To tell Kraichgauer he has poor moral sense just isn't justified. It does border on personal attack. And running down an entire group isn't called for either.

Rather, show kindness in your acts and words by telling us how you believe we should regulate our morals.

You could start by not intimating a desire to lock a thread in defence of them.

You could continue by realising that some people are of the opinion that the bible is immoral, as are those who embrace its teachings.

As for what you should do, that's up to yourself, those to whom you are beholden and rule/lawmakers to decide.

People embrace its teachings differently.

Some use the bible to justify slavery, misogyny, sexism, homophobia etc a while others used the same book to oppose slavery and sexism. (Wilberforce etc). The there's the Koran... used by extremists to justify killing, while other Muslims embrace compassion.

I wasn't seriously considering locking it as I believe in free discussion. The topic is too interesting to exclude!

Most who persecuted Christians, if you look at the history, were other Christians.

I Christians had not stopped killing each other and had not banded together to take on Islam with their Crusades we would all be buying child brides end embracing FGM.

Yuk.

Regards
DL

It is hard to separate an immoral man from his words.

How to regulate our morals is easy. Just follow the Golden Rule and play with the idea by taking it to both extremes.

In the case of substitutionary atonement, if taken as a policy, we would have a bunch of dead innocent victims and a bunch of criminals on the street.

If Christians, as a group, cannot dither out that to punish the innocent instead of the guilty is immoral, then that shows how corrupted their moral sense is.

Perhaps that is why they can adore a genocidal son murderer and call him God.

Regards
DL

P. S. I appreciate that attacking someone's moral sense is close to a personal attack, but if you will allow compliments to those with a good moral sense, then you should also allow a criticism of someone's poor moral sense.

To add to my post above.

I was showing our friend something better than kindness. I was showing love. Tough love perhaps, but most correction is hard to take.

Here is what I hope motivates me.

Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.

I saw our friend holding to what is evil.

Regards
DL

How can you know that, assuming that the matter is indiscernible to men.



People were chided, when they lived in nice houses, but God didn't.


Why not just ask what I mean to say.





I am not using Merriam-Webster's definition, here.

As her husband had died, she would be eligible to marry, somewhat along the lines of a maid. She is not indigent, for being too old to work, or reproductively-unfit, per se.



Believe it or not, there is actually an age limit, in the Old Testament.


It's a free gift, as a show of respect.

You are not trying to earn salvation from Hell or remission of sin. It's not a punishment.

It's a ceremonial expression of appreciation.

@2:22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky7DMCHQJZY



To paraphrase, then... You are being too literal (fool), but I know the true meaning of it all. This works with everthing. Let's play Mad Libs, shall we?

Seriously, though, you've missed the whole point --

Regardless of which causes you think are deserving, and regardless of which worldviews you consider to be fictional, what about giving charity to bad people. Or, assuming that resources are limited, how do you prioritize, ethically.

You are criticizing everyone else, but not saying what you think is right, which would subject you to cross examination.

Perhaps, enlightenment, for you, is a moving target.

The criticism usually includes the right way but if you missed that, pose a direct question so that I know exactly what you are talking about and I will be pleased to answer for you.

Regards
DL

Ok.

What, in your opinion, is the right way, to deal with a bad person.

You said Golden Rule.

Is it good or bad, to treat all people equally.

I love questions and reading answers.
Here are some quick unedited stream of conscious thoughts after a day at work in meetings and trainings.

Mostly I believe us humans the answer depends on perspective.

Golden rule - how does it apply to a Masochist?

What is bad.
WWJD doesn't have clear answers.

A. Rage and turn tables.
B. A bit of mud
C. Saliva
D. Help a group of people who were not on good terms with the Hebrews
E. Destroy the tree because of bad fruit
F. Name calling Hypocrites.
G. Give to Cesar what is Ceasar

If you base your faith on one thing things get strange.

Satan knew the word of God and used it to taunt Jesus.
People still use this same tactic today.

Last though.
Some say to shake the sand off your sandals and go on.
Others go out give hugs - a ring and kill the fatted calf.

Pray, read and may YHPOC (your higher power of choice ) guide you
&
Bless you in deed and expand your territory

Me- a fool that welcomes along with my wife
A loving God, The Son & Holy Spirit into our home and lives.
&
Still too old to know it all ...

I put God and others above myself, always. It's the only way to do it. I've seen many talk shows with guests who put themselves above all, and they're usually very unsavory people. I think of all the abusive parents and rebellious youths on Dr. Phil and other shows and that doesn't paint a very pretty picture. People snap, but counseling is there to help them get back to their good spots.

God First.

Schultz does know plenty.
(Hogan reference)

Huh? Hulk Hogan and Dr D David Schultz?