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29 Jul 2017, 9:19 pm
Lintar wrote:
The concept of avatars originated with the Hindu religion. You clearly are utterly clueless about all of this.
And that's the only context the term can be used it, it can't possibly be used to describe something analogous from another region of the world. Nope, never.
Lintar wrote:
The Quran almost never refers to events within the Old Testament. There are more references to people and places that occur in the New, and it often gets things wrong (ex. confuses the characters of Mary from the New Testament, with Miriam from the Old). The god "Allah" was originally part of a pantheon of gods, others being al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat, if I recall correctly. The "prophet" Mohammad came into contact with the Jews and Christians already living on the Arabian peninsula, and decided for reasons that are not entirely clear to start up his own monotheistic religion. Maybe he did it because it was a great business move, or perhaps it was just his epilepsy giving him delusions of messages from God.
The names Mary and Miriam are cognate. Mary is not the original Hebrew or Aramaic form that the mother of Jesus would have used. You seem to forget most Quranic references to Biblical figures use Arabic versions of their Hebrew names.
Someone's clueless alright.
29 Jul 2017, 9:20 pm
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29 Jul 2017, 9:21 pm
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29 Jul 2017, 9:27 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Lintar wrote:
The concept of avatars originated with the Hindu religion. You clearly are utterly clueless about all of this.
And that's the only context the term can be used it, it can't possibly be used to describe something analogous from another region of the world. Nope, never.
Lintar wrote:
The Quran almost never refers to events within the Old Testament. There are more references to people and places that occur in the New, and it often gets things wrong (ex. confuses the characters of Mary from the New Testament, with Miriam from the Old). The god "Allah" was originally part of a pantheon of gods, others being al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat, if I recall correctly. The "prophet" Mohammad came into contact with the Jews and Christians already living on the Arabian peninsula, and decided for reasons that are not entirely clear to start up his own monotheistic religion. Maybe he did it because it was a great business move, or perhaps it was just his epilepsy giving him delusions of messages from God.
The names Mary and Miriam are cognate. Mary is not the original Hebrew or Aramaic form that the mother of Jesus would have used. You seem to forget most Quranic references to Biblical figures use Arabic versions of their Hebrew names.
Someone's clueless alright.
We could get into a discussion about why many Biblical scholars of the past made the observation that the Miriam specified within the Quran is the Miriam we know of as the sister of Moses, and that within the context of the relevant passage there is clear confusion with Mary the mother of Christ. It was mentioned before that the word for God in Arabic is "Allah", but that clearly doesn't mean, when used by those who are Arab Muslims, anyone other than the specific god they happen to worship. Arabic is Maryam, which can be interpreted to mean either Miriam or Mary, so you are at least partially right.
29 Jul 2017, 9:34 pm
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
Lintar wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
EzraS wrote:
According to the bible anything sexual outside of traditional male female marriage is a sin.
Even just getting the hots for someone is as much a sin as everything else.
Even just getting the hots for someone is as much a sin as everything else.
This is why Christianity sucks and the Bible is garbage.
They are literally trying to destroy human nature.
Oh look. Politically Correct hate speech.
And nary a slap on the wrist to be found.
Yes, I noticed it too. Apparently it's okay to insult Christians, but not the members of any other religion (especially Muslims). 'Karathraceandherspecialdestiny', where are you now? Do you have nothing to say about this?
(Sound of chirping crickets)
You both need to grow up.
Maybe. Am I actually wrong though? There does seem to be a double-standard in place when it comes to how the adherents of certain religions are treated these days in the West. I just thought that I would point that out here in this discussion.
29 Jul 2017, 9:46 pm
jrjones9933 wrote:
However, taking the entire bible literally creates a lot of contradictions.
Well, maybe people should stop doing that. There is a passage in the N.T. by St. Paul that quite clearly and specifically mentions metaphor, and how he uses it to make a point, and at this moment in time with my crappy memory I can't recall where it was.
It is there though. Something about being free or in bondage, and how the two characters mentioned are symbolic, or can be taken as such. Found it: Galatians 4:24
29 Jul 2017, 9:51 pm
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29 Jul 2017, 9:54 pm
Lintar wrote:
We could get into a discussion about why many Biblical scholars of the past made the observation that the Miriam specified within the Quran is the Miriam we know of as the sister of Moses, and that within the context of the relevant passage there is clear confusion with Mary the mother of Christ. It was mentioned before that the word for God in Arabic is "Allah", but that clearly doesn't mean, when used by those who are Arab Muslims, anyone other than the specific god they happen to worship. Arabic is Maryam, which can be interpreted to mean either Miriam or Mary, so you are at least partially right.
It's not unfair to suggest that Muhammad/the early Islamic community conflated figures they made reference to, but using 'well in English we call this one this and in Arabic they call them that' isn't a good basis for that argument. Whether or not Muhammad understood the theology of the ancient Israelites (or of contemporary Jews or the various sects of Christianity in the region) well enough to imitate them accurately isn't the same as whether or not he and his followers believe their god to be the god of Abraham.
Considering the extent to which Christians argue amongst themselves about the nature of god, not to mention the disagreements within the Jewish faith, not to mention disagreements between those groups, let alone the other smaller Abrahamic faiths (Samaritans, Druze, Rastafari, Babism, Bahai), etc... it's fair to say if we can accept all the other Abrahamic faiths as worshiping the god of Abraham we can accept that most of the collection of Muslim sects also worship some form of that god.
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