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03 Mar 2022, 8:47 am

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So far, it's Putin choosing to escalate it.
Escalation is based on the concept of an action followed by a retort. This retort is yet to be made.

So far, all Putin needs to escalate further is an imaginary situation in his own propaganda. Have you heard his most recent speeches? Are you aware of what Russian state TV shows?
It's completely imaginary threat used to enable absolutely real harm.

The West is extremely careful not to start WWIII - being Polish, I know it from close distance. All the sanctions are to make this war economically non-viable without a military clash.
But if Putin goes completely rabid (which he's so far showing signs of), we'll need to be prepared. Not panicked. Not agressive. Prepared. And united.


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03 Mar 2022, 10:33 am

magz wrote:
Nades wrote:
magz wrote:
So far, it's Putin choosing to escalate it.
Escalation is based on the concept of an action followed by a retort. This retort is yet to be made.

So far, all Putin needs to escalate further is an imaginary situation in his own propaganda. Have you heard his most recent speeches? Are you aware of what Russian state TV shows?
It's completely imaginary threat used to enable absolutely real harm.

The West is extremely careful not to start WWIII - being Polish, I know it from close distance. All the sanctions are to make this war economically non-viable without a military clash.
But if Putin goes completely rabid (which he's so far showing signs of), we'll need to be prepared. Not panicked. Not agressive. Prepared. And united.



Russian government has always been like this. I don't read too much into what they say.



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03 Mar 2022, 11:13 am

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Russian government has always been like this.
Truth.
That's why living under it has been always such a hell.


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03 Mar 2022, 9:02 pm

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There are 7 billion of us and plenty can speak. Let's not start a nuclear war that targets billions because a few thousand have died.


That sounds very unsympathetic/callus.
I am sure you don't mean it.

The only person that will start WWIII is pootin.
And that will only happen if he invades a NATO country. 8)



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03 Mar 2022, 9:07 pm

Nades wrote:
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So far, it's Putin choosing to escalate it.


Escalation is based on the concept of an action followed by a retort. This retort is yet to be made.

With thousands of nuclear weapons and the stakes never being so high, knee jerk reactions after mere days is to be avoided.

I don't understand why I need to say this. It should be obvious that more than a few days thought is needed before two nuclear armed super powers clash.


There will be no coup nuclear war.
Trust me on that. 8)



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03 Mar 2022, 9:11 pm

magz wrote:
Nades wrote:
magz wrote:
So far, it's Putin choosing to escalate it.
Escalation is based on the concept of an action followed by a retort. This retort is yet to be made.

So far, all Putin needs to escalate further is an imaginary situation in his own propaganda. Have you heard his most recent speeches? Are you aware of what Russian state TV shows?
It's completely imaginary threat used to enable absolutely real harm.

The Goebbels hell you say! 8O

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The West is extremely careful not to start WWIII - being Polish, I know it from close distance. All the sanctions are to make this war economically non-viable without a military clash.
But if Putin goes completely rabid (which he's so far showing signs of), we'll need to be prepared. Not panicked. Not agressive. Prepared. And united.


Even a rabid skunk knows not to invade Poland. 8)



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04 Mar 2022, 5:20 am

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so what should we do when russia decapitates and rapes ukraine?


Ukraine doesn't have an anus, vagina or head. It's a piece of land that doesn't feel pain or mental anguish.

Personifying a piece of land edges everyone closer including you and your family to being cooked by nukes.

so we should be ok with russia brutalizing and dominating another independent country?



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04 Mar 2022, 5:22 am

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reminds me of the words of the reverend Martin Niemöller-
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There are 7 billion of us and plenty can speak. Let's not start a nuclear war that targets billions because a few thousand have died.

ukraine wants to be out from under the domination of russia. that counts for something.



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04 Mar 2022, 5:29 am

auntblabby wrote:
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reminds me of the words of the reverend Martin Niemöller-
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There are 7 billion of us and plenty can speak. Let's not start a nuclear war that targets billions because a few thousand have died.

ukraine wants to be out from under the domination of russia. that counts for something.

Right now, Putin is speaking of nukes, the West is speaking of cutting Russia off economically.


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04 Mar 2022, 6:26 am

auntblabby wrote:
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so what should we do when russia decapitates and rapes ukraine?


Ukraine doesn't have an anus, vagina or head. It's a piece of land that doesn't feel pain or mental anguish.

Personifying a piece of land edges everyone closer including you and your family to being cooked by nukes.

so we should be ok with russia brutalizing and dominating another independent country?


Dunno what's happening yet so it's to early to say they'll be brutalized. A lot of countries have been brutalized and dominated throughout human history but it's better than the entire world being brutalized.

Nobody is a hero for diving into a knife fight on impulse in the hopes of saving someone and getting killed themselves.

Ukraine is going to lose this fight, it's that simple. The best they can do is damage mitigation and fleeing, possibly with as much military equipment as possible to Poland.



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04 Mar 2022, 6:33 am

No fly zone has probably already been discussed, even dissed and cussed, somewhere on WP already but I watched this several hours ago and am going to put it here,
Is a conversation between a couple retired Navy pilots.

"Kevin "Hozer" Miller, author of the Raven One series and retired Hornet pilot, joins Ward to talk about the mechanics of establishing and operating a no fly zone, leveraging his experiences during Operation Deny Flight and Operation Southern Watch."


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04 Mar 2022, 6:37 am

And from another channel I subscribe to,

"It is extremely important that you watch this episode seriously. There are so many things that are happening in Ukraine right now, and it seems that not everything is getting the proper attention that it deserves, so please watch what this young Indian female wants you to know. "


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04 Mar 2022, 6:44 am

Nades wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Nades wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
so what should we do when russia decapitates and rapes ukraine?


Ukraine doesn't have an anus, vagina or head. It's a piece of land that doesn't feel pain or mental anguish.

Personifying a piece of land edges everyone closer including you and your family to being cooked by nukes.

so we should be ok with russia brutalizing and dominating another independent country?


Dunno what's happening yet so it's to early to say they'll be brutalized. A lot of countries have been brutalized and dominated throughout human history but it's better than the entire world being brutalized. Nobody is a hero for diving into a knife fight on impulse in the hopes of saving someone and getting killed themselves.
Ukraine is going to lose this fight, it's that simple. The best they can do is damage mitigation and fleeing, possibly with as much military equipment as possible to Poland.

once russia has its way with ukraine, what is to prevent them from having their way with poland next?



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04 Mar 2022, 6:49 am

auntblabby wrote:
Nades wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Nades wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
so what should we do when russia decapitates and rapes ukraine?


Ukraine doesn't have an anus, vagina or head. It's a piece of land that doesn't feel pain or mental anguish.

Personifying a piece of land edges everyone closer including you and your family to being cooked by nukes.

so we should be ok with russia brutalizing and dominating another independent country?


Dunno what's happening yet so it's to early to say they'll be brutalized. A lot of countries have been brutalized and dominated throughout human history but it's better than the entire world being brutalized. Nobody is a hero for diving into a knife fight on impulse in the hopes of saving someone and getting killed themselves.
Ukraine is going to lose this fight, it's that simple. The best they can do is damage mitigation and fleeing, possibly with as much military equipment as possible to Poland.

once russia has its way with ukraine, what is to prevent them from having their way with poland next?


They could have had their way with Poland any time they liked for the last 30 years.

A simple "what if" isn't justification for getting other countries involved in conflict considering the stakes are lot higher since the advent of nukes. Even Putin isn't stupid enough to use most days them but he has them and everyone acts stupid from time to time.



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04 Mar 2022, 6:54 am

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Even Putin isn't stupid enough to use most days them but he has them and everyone acts stupid from time to time.

he did put out a veiled threat to use them, which is not something to be glossed over.



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04 Mar 2022, 7:20 am

auntblabby wrote:
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Even Putin isn't stupid enough to use most days them but he has them and everyone acts stupid from time to time.

he did put out a veiled threat to use them, which is not something to be glossed over.


Which is why an objective and well informed decision putting all emotions to the side needs to be made on physical intervention. These take considerably longer than 8 days.