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01 Mar 2009, 12:40 pm

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anyway, I wonder where do all the women go when they die... and what do they get for killing an infidel...?

I've wondered that too. Islam claims to be more respectful of women than other religions, but I can't see that being true when women are simply sexual objects to be given out as rewards for doing Allah's will. Women are not party favors. Such a view is repulsive and demeaning. They are human beings who deserve to be treated with dignity and respect.

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01 Mar 2009, 12:45 pm

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anna-banana wrote:

anyway, I wonder where do all the women go when they die... and what do they get for killing an infidel...?

Exactly.

Religions seem to think women aren't capable of choosing to be "good or bad", we are just there to do mens' bidding. Example: (Christianity) "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is abomination." Subtext as I see it; only men are intelligent enough to be reading this text, so only they have to be taken into consideration.

(Plus that is homophobic, but that's a different issue.)

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01 Mar 2009, 3:15 pm

Presumably male homosexuals are assigned the 72 virgin women as well, but they don't do anything about it. There must be quite a few awkward scenes like this in heaven.

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01 Mar 2009, 3:22 pm

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Presumably male homosexuals are assigned the 72 virgin women as well, but they don't do anything about it. There must be quite a few awkward scenes like this in heaven.

Islamists wouldn't allow homosexuals into heaven, though. That's the problem, the only people the fundamentalists see as human beings are heterosexual males. Ergo, all they need are virgin women.

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01 Mar 2009, 3:30 pm

Premise 1: All dogs go to heaven.
Premise 2: Some dogs are gay.
Therefore: Some homosexuals go to heaven.

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01 Mar 2009, 3:49 pm

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Presumably male homosexuals are assigned the 72 virgin women as well, but they don't do anything about it. There must be quite a few awkward scenes like this in heaven.

Not women. Houris. They are specially created creature to produce sexual satisfaction. Sort of like Allah's Party Dolls.

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02 Mar 2009, 6:50 am

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And the aqueduct.

Damn you beat me too it

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02 Mar 2009, 7:20 am

Okay, I never got to reply to the post asking about the metaphoric interpretation of the 72 virgins thing, and I wasn't going to, but now it requires justice.

To die in service to God's true cause is to perform the greatest service possible. Often martyrs who were tortured or endured extreme pain- anything short of, but not including being a living bomb- showed little sign that there was any pain at all. Some were granted a vision of God that would be so great that they could actually die with a smile on their face.

That's where the 72 virgins thing comes in. 72 to show how much ecstasy one would experience, and virgins to describe the quality of said ecstasy- supposing that sex with a virgin is more enjoyable.

Now, this is not intended to provide incentive toward martyrdom, but to ease the fear of persecution. A method for persecuted faithful to remain strong in their faith. In many religions, it is stated that those who devote their lives are very dear to God. To give ones life because of pure devotion to God's true cause would provide instant ecstasy in the afterlife and likely beforehand if pain was immanent.

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02 Mar 2009, 7:45 am

Any philosophy that proposes it is more beneficial to die for something rather than to live for it is worth thinking twice about.

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02 Mar 2009, 7:46 am

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Any philosophy that proposes it is more beneficial to die for something rather than to live for it is worth thinking twice about.

Yes think about it twice and be very afraid. People who thought like that paid us a visit on the morning of 9/11/2001.

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02 Mar 2009, 7:48 am

ruveyn wrote:

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Any philosophy that proposes it is more beneficial to die for something rather than to live for it is worth thinking twice about.

Yes think about it twice and be very afraid. People who thought like that paid us a visit on the morning of 9/11/2001.

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Isn't that what they want?

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02 Mar 2009, 8:00 am

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Any philosophy that proposes it is more beneficial to die for something rather than to live for it is worth thinking twice about.

Yes think about it twice and be very afraid. People who thought like that paid us a visit on the morning of 9/11/2001.

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Isn't that what they want?

Yes. But what they don't want is nuclear retaliation. Have you ever considered the idea of carpet bombing the Islamic World with nuclear weapons? It is a win win situation. They go to Paradise and get 72 of Allah's Party Dolls (apiece) and we no longer have the pleasure of their company.

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02 Mar 2009, 8:11 am

ruveyn wrote:

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Any philosophy that proposes it is more beneficial to die for something rather than to live for it is worth thinking twice about.

Yes think about it twice and be very afraid. People who thought like that paid us a visit on the morning of 9/11/2001.

ruveyn

Isn't that what they want?

And the rest of us die of radiation and an atomic winter. Without any compensatory screwing.

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02 Mar 2009, 8:21 am

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And the rest of us die of radiation and an atomic winter. Without any compensatory screwing.

Fallout is mostly local. The amount of radioactivity blowing in to the Western Hemisphere would be minimal. Probably not more than 10,000 additional cases of cancer a year. That is more people than die in the U.S.in traffic accidents. A small price to pay for peace and quite.

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02 Mar 2009, 8:22 am

Sand wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Any philosophy that proposes it is more beneficial to die for something rather than to live for it is worth thinking twice about.

Yes think about it twice and be very afraid. People who thought like that paid us a visit on the morning of 9/11/2001.

ruveyn

Isn't that what they want?

And the rest of us die of radiation and an atomic winter. Without any compensatory screwing.

I will have to agree with Sand here. Nuclear weaponry is a Pandora's box that will be difficult if not impossible to close, but we don't have to be the ones to detonate it. History will judge he who throws the first nuke (ie. America in Japan), and the second won't be far better.

Also, not every citizen in every Islamist nation is a terrorist by default. What of those who are born into a Muslim family and could be possibly executed if they try to switch religions? Don't punish the innocent.

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02 Mar 2009, 8:30 am

ruveyn wrote:

gina-ghettoprincess wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Any philosophy that proposes it is more beneficial to die for something rather than to live for it is worth thinking twice about.

Yes think about it twice and be very afraid. People who thought like that paid us a visit on the morning of 9/11/2001.

ruveyn

Isn't that what they want?

Er... not all muslims are terrorists. In fact, terrorists are in a minority. You're talking about innocent lives here!

If your dream to nuke the Middle East ever comes true, I sure hope you get some 'retaliation'.

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