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05 Apr 2012, 8:22 pm

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Women are easily controlled and manipulated. They are emotionally based creatures who's thought process governs what they feel.

Men are stronger and more logical. They can use there strength to over power a women.

A good man will use his strength to protect a women and his logic to care and maintain her life and there children.

Bad men abuse that power because men naturally see women as beautiful and something they must have and use there strength and power for lust.

So I believe that it is biological.

i am not emotionally based in the slightest; i am logical and rational. i am also physically and mentally strong, and people who know me well have called me fearless. if you're going to draw conclusions about your entire gender, you need to make statements that include women like me. otherwise you are speaking inaccurately.


I am rational, logical but I become govern by my emotions. (ie. when I see a puppy I want to touch or when I want to snuggle or have sex or when I PMS) I am very much tied to my emotions when it comes to many daily things. I am not physically stronger then a man. Many women are not. I am fearless when it comes to spiders and bugs but not when it comes to needles and dentists. I can be mentally strong depending on the situation. I can excel in many things and fail at others.

I am only giving a general idea of how women are. I'm sorry if it came out to matter-fact-ly. Most women are govern by emotions. It is not something to be ashamed of like it is a weakness to over come. I celebrate my femininity because it makes me soft and kind and easy to talk to.

And I'm not a typical women either. To my husband, I'm more of a tomboy. All my friends growing up where boys till I met my best friend who was a tommish girl like me. I don't dress in dresses. I don't do much with my hair. I Like to be comfortable and modest. Sometimes I put makeup on when we go out and paint my nails every once and a while. I just have learned who I am and my limits early in life. I'm not assertive. I am meek. I learned that if you treat people with respect they treat you with respect. When I was polite they were kind to me back. And being polite and kind and happen to be a women fell in place for me. Men treated me with respect and would look out for me and I like it because it makes me feel safe and that's how men should make there women feel. Safe and secure and well loved and taken care for. Why fight tooth and nail to become a man. To have to work against your nature to prove, mostly to yourself, that you can be better then they are. This is why I don't understand feminism. Why fight to be seen as exactly equal. We are the same under law. What is wrong with being different. I want a man to see me as a beautiful women to be taken care of. I can't imagine how a man would want to marry a feminist.


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05 Apr 2012, 8:27 pm

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Is she anything like noted feminist Andrea Dworkin?

Here are a few of her quotes:

"Marriage is an institution developed from rape as a practice."

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies."

"Every woman's son is her potential betrayer, and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."

"Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin

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In 1987, Dworkin published Intercourse, in which she extended her analysis from pornography to sexual intercourse itself, and argued that the sort of sexual subordination depicted in pornography was central to men's and women's experiences of heterosexual intercourse in a male supremacist society. In the book, she argues that all heterosexual sex in our patriarchal society is coercive and degrading to women, and sexual penetration may by its very nature doom women to inferiority and submission, and "may be immune to reform."


Is she an advocate of reproduction via artificial insemination exclusively?



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05 Apr 2012, 8:28 pm

I agree completely with TM!


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05 Apr 2012, 8:29 pm

Andrea Dworkin... crazy woman


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05 Apr 2012, 8:31 pm

Vigilians avatar is handsome and very hot :wink:

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The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir 8)



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05 Apr 2012, 8:33 pm

So now Femiinists are crazy :roll:



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05 Apr 2012, 8:38 pm

My wife is drop-dead gorgeous, but hides it by dressing very modestly. Definitely not your typical "feminine lady". No, she likes hanging out by the creek where she gets all muddy and bringing back critters I don't want. I think people can't quite figure her out, really. She's incredibly logical (I don't even know if that's sexist of me to say, but it's true!). It's insane how honest we can be with each other. If I say something most women would find "offensive" about her, but it's true, she'll agree, and without being sad about it -- rather, she immediately thinks constructively about the criticism, as I do when I'm criticized in a believable way by people I know well. But if I'm mistaken about criticizing her, she totally calls me on it, and I, being the same way, analyze whether or not I really was mistaken, and apologize fully and without qualification if I was. Error is like a sin to me, but that shouldn't be surprising since I'm an Aspie. I mean, we are SUPER-honest with each other, like halves of one brain.

She's the type of woman who will ask if she looks bad in a certain way, I'll answer totally honestly, and she'll check, and if she agrees she'll unemotionally say I'm right, and fix it. She literally wants criticism if it's true and there's something she can do about it. Not like your typical woman.


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05 Apr 2012, 8:38 pm

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Andrea Dworkin... crazy woman


I already said she's a feminist.


She is a radical misandrist

She calls herself a feminist though.


I could call myself a horse but that doesn't change the fact that I am a person.

PS of course Ragtime would use a misandrist as a example of what a feminist is :roll:



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05 Apr 2012, 8:42 pm

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Gloria Steinem is a feminist and she is worth a read her books are great.


Is she anything like noted feminist Andrea Dworkin?

Here are a few of her quotes:

"Marriage is an institution developed from rape as a practice."

"Heterosexual intercourse is the pure, formalized expression of contempt for women's bodies."

"Every woman's son is her potential betrayer, and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman."

"Romance is rape embellished with meaningful looks."



Or, is she anything like Ti-Grace Atkinson (not a typo)?

"The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist."



Or Catharine Mackinnon?

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."

"All heterosexual intercourse is rape, because women, as a group, are not strong enough to give meaningful consent."



Or Hillary Clinton?

"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, fathers, and sons in combat."
(So, the men losing their lives are not considered victims?)



Or Harriet Harman? British Labour Party politician Harriet Harman said on the floor of the House of Commons, when standing in for the Prime Minister:

"There are not enough airports in the country for all the men who would want to leave if I were Prime Minister."
(Imagine the reaction if she were to substitute any other group besides men in that sentence. Or if a man had said the same thing about women. Equality, huh?)


I've read all those- Dwarkin, Atkinson, and MacKinnon commenting on the nature of heterosexual sex in patriarchy
Hillary Clinton speaking at a domestic violence conference in El Salvador, with the full quote being:
"Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat. Women often have to flee from the only homes they have ever known. Women are often the refugees from conflict and sometimes, more frequently in today’s warfare, victims. Women are often left with the responsibility, alone, of raising the children. "

and Harman speaking honestly about the number of sexist knuckle draggers in Britain.


What of them? Quote mining two female politicians and 3 feminist authors equals there is no gendered oppression or violence, and therefore feminism is bad, yo?

The thread continues to entertain.


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05 Apr 2012, 8:43 pm

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Ratime should read

The Second Sex by Simone de Beauvoir 8)


Here she is, in the same seat with Jean-Paul Sartre, and next to Che Guevara, on a sofa in Cuba

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This proves that Miss de Beauvoir is not only a "feminist", but a *gasp* LIBERAL who pals around with egg-heads and terrorists.



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05 Apr 2012, 8:43 pm

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My wife is drop-dead gorgeous, but hides it by dressing very modestly. Definitely not your typical "feminine lady". No, she likes hanging out by the creek where she gets all muddy and bringing back critters I don't want. I think people can't quite figure her out, really. She's incredibly logical (I don't even know if that's sexist of me to say, but it's true!). It's insane how honest we can be with each other. If I saying something most women would find "offensive" about her but it's true, she'll agree, and without being sad about it. But if I'm mistaken, she calls me on it, and I, being the same way, analyze whether or not I really was mistaken and apologize fully if I was. I mean, we are SUPER-honest with each other, like halves of one brain.


Yeah, I like to go out and fish and eat the fish I caught down by the creek. I like catching my own food and eating it. I wouldn't mind having to kill an animal and eat it. And I've done it before. I also like catching tadpoles and that was a time I was almost kidnapped. I am not a typical girly girl. I just know what makes me tick and how I roll and what I have observed from other women.


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05 Apr 2012, 8:46 pm

Most women I know who grew up in more rural areas tend to be DIY like that. They do not necessarily act or dress like tomboys though


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05 Apr 2012, 8:47 pm

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Most women I know who grew up in more rural areas tend to be DIY like that. They do not necessarily act or dress like tomboys though


The funny thing is I didn't grow up rural! :o


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05 Apr 2012, 8:47 pm

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PS of course Ragtime would use a misandrist as a example of what a feminist is :roll:


Anyone who's read anything of hers would know she's far from a misandrist. :lol:
If she was, she wouldn't spend so much damned time appealing to men's empathy for women.
But then, people who prefer to form opinions about entire ideologies and millions of people and the state of the world in terms of the two largest classes on Earth from A COUPLE CHOPPED UP, UNQUALIFIED, GOOGLED QUOTES OF FIVE FIRST WORLD LADIES certainly get my salute for tryin'. I admire their courage.


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05 Apr 2012, 8:48 pm

I thank that is the conclusion that most men reach they think of feminsts, as "man haters" or lesbiens, when that isn't even true.

The Handmaid's Tale (Paperback)
by Margaret Atwood is also worth the read I love most books by female authors they draw such emotion and romance into their books 8)



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05 Apr 2012, 8:48 pm

Oh, lawd. Is there a Toby Keith song coming on? :?


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