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26 Nov 2010, 10:57 am

A prominent Conservative in the UK has spoken up for eugenics again. People should know that the Godfather of Thatcherism, the "Mad Monk" Sir Keith Joseph, he kicked off the Thatcherist Revolution with an impassioned plea for eugenics.



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26 Nov 2010, 11:05 am

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A prominent Conservative in the UK has spoken up for eugenics again. People should know that the Godfather of Thatcherism, the "Mad Monk" Sir Keith Joseph, he kicked off the Thatcherist Revolution with an impassioned plea for eugenics.


Can you be a bit more specific. Eugenics can be anything from something good to paranoid cries of wolf to actual dangerous ideas and policies.


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26 Nov 2010, 12:46 pm

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xenon13, either you are being blatently dishonest or drinking the Kool-Aid.

Xenon is an extreme leftist. Probably the farthest-left on WP, ignoring the actual Marxists.


Good to know,

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The biggest threat to our rights of free speech come from the left not the right.

I disagree. The right-wingers I have encountered are much more willing to submit to authoritarian measures in the bogus name of "security." Left-wingers are more consistently opposed to censorship and other civil rights abuses, even willing to oppose their own political representatives on those issues.


I think Juan Williams is a perfect example as to how you are wrong in that assertation. The left is only for free speech when they agree with it.

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Okay, how can one be to the left of Michael Moore?

Quite easily. I know several people farther left than Moore. And of course anyone who is actually a socialist or communist would be much farther left than Moore.


Isn't Moore a socialist or a communist? He advocates for it quite often.

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I see a lot more open support for blatant censorship from the right. Liberals seldom call for a book they dislike to be banned. And on the "other civil rights abuses" I don't think you can make a serious case when it is the political right in this country that supports torture, illegal wiretapping, indefinite suspension without trial, etc.


Okay just stop cause the facts put everything you've said into an entirely different perspective.

Concerning the Book: The only book I can think of that Conservatives were going after recently was a book for pedophiles that was basically how to molest children and get away with it.

Liberals want every book by Beck, Hannity, Lindbaugh, O'Reilly, etc. to be banned. Further they want Fox News and talk radio shut down via the Government.

Concerning Torture: Conservatives are actually against torture, however there are instances where the situation gets a little fuzzy. If you had the choice between breaking a terrorists face and another 9/11 style attack only it has a WMD with it. What would you choose to do?

Wiretaps: First you are not telling the entire truth, the wiretapped phones were in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. when they called phones in the United States, you're saying the CIA should just hang up until after the phone call? It wasn't wiretapping phones in the United States and monitoring domestic to domestic calls without a warrant.

As far as keeping Terrorists we've caught on the battlefield locked up: Excuse me we are at war, we didn't let Japanese or German Prisoners go free during World War II. I'm all for military tribunals, but not civilian because you can't mirandize people on a battlefield with people shooting at you.

One thing Obama has authorized that Bush never did was assassinating American Citizens, as Dox47 has already pointed out.



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26 Nov 2010, 3:38 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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A prominent Conservative in the UK has spoken up for eugenics again. People should know that the Godfather of Thatcherism, the "Mad Monk" Sir Keith Joseph, he kicked off the Thatcherist Revolution with an impassioned plea for eugenics.


Can you be a bit more specific. Eugenics can be anything from something good to paranoid cries of wolf to actual dangerous ideas and policies.


He said that lower classes were "breeding" too much. That's what this Tory Lord said and that's what Sir Keith Joseph said... the lower class breeding would weaken the gene pool... that's what these people say.

Remember.... Sir Keith Joseph, the Mad Monk, was the Godfather of Thatcherism.



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26 Nov 2010, 3:41 pm

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A prominent Conservative in the UK has spoken up for eugenics again. People should know that the Godfather of Thatcherism, the "Mad Monk" Sir Keith Joseph, he kicked off the Thatcherist Revolution with an impassioned plea for eugenics.


Can you be a bit more specific. Eugenics can be anything from something good to paranoid cries of wolf to actual dangerous ideas and policies.


He said that lower classes were "breeding" too much. That's what this Tory Lord said and that's what Sir Keith Joseph said... the lower class breeding would weaken the gene pool... that's what these people say.

Remember.... Sir Keith Joseph, the Mad Monk, was the Godfather of Thatcherism.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSROlfR7WTo[/youtube]


^That's about what he meant and he isn't wrong.


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26 Nov 2010, 3:43 pm

So the toffs are genetically superior? They're just as vulgar as everyone else. I see that one of the Masters of the Universe hired a dwarf for a bachelor party. Yes, his genes will advance the Master Race!



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26 Nov 2010, 3:55 pm

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So the toffs are genetically superior? They're just as vulgar as everyone else. I see that one of the Masters of the Universe hired a dwarf for a bachelor party. Yes, his genes will advance the Master Race!


Genetically superior? Not likely. Culturally superior? Depends but it's more likely.


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26 Nov 2010, 6:41 pm

skafather84 wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
So the toffs are genetically superior? They're just as vulgar as everyone else. I see that one of the Masters of the Universe hired a dwarf for a bachelor party. Yes, his genes will advance the Master Race!


Genetically superior? Not likely. Culturally superior? Depends but it's more likely.


Parakeets are the ultimate race, and they will conquer you all!! ! Ha ha ha ha ha!! ! :twisted: ... :P Which idiot calling himself a wise-man came up with the stupid notion of the "master race" anyway. If he weren't dead he'd certainly deserve to be tortured to death Roman style, especially after what his philosophy led to in the holocaust.



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26 Nov 2010, 7:06 pm

Democrats make people vote republican.



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26 Nov 2010, 7:27 pm

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Quite easily. I know several people farther left than Moore. And of course anyone who is actually a socialist or communist would be much farther left than Moore.

In Capitalism: A Love Story, it looked like Michael Moore was holding up workers' communes as exemplars of workplace democracy. He was using the word democracy as a synonym for socialism. I'm not going to say voluntary cooperatives are a bad thing—I think they're great—but Michael Moore doesn't use the actual word socialism since that word is so shot in our culture.



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26 Nov 2010, 7:46 pm

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I would have to disagree with you there Orwell, many on the Left seem to find censorship and civil rights abuses perfectly acceptable as long as the speech being censored is something they disagree with, or the civil right being trampled is one they don't care for. Things like campus speech codes and and overly broad hate crimes laws are just the first examples that come to mind, but I can certainly go much further into this one if you care to contest the point.

As much as I loathe Fox News and commentators like Glenn Beck, I would not want the government to shut them down precisely because I do value freedom of speech and press; I'd rather see their propaganda defeated through information and a better fact-distribution network on the Left. I sometimes get the distinct impression that some on the Right perceive politics as all-out war by other means and would happily ban political dissent if they could. The Right has a way of enforcing a peculiarly rigid orthodoxy even on itself.



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26 Nov 2010, 7:48 pm

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The lefties have a more insidious form of censorship. That is because it is not exactly censorship but it does put a chill on expression. It is good old left wing political correctness. I counteract that by being as blatantly insensitive in both word and deed as I can get a way. I actually call crippled people cripples and I call mentally ret*d people ret*ds and imbeciles, which is what they are. Better to call something what it is than what is acceptable.

So I guess what's good for the goose is good for the gander. You wouldn't be offended if you were called a grumpy old man or a teabagger?



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26 Nov 2010, 8:11 pm

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As much as I loathe Fox News and commentators like Glenn Beck, I would not want the government to shut them down precisely because I do value freedom of speech and press; I'd rather see their propaganda defeated through information and a better fact-distribution network on the Left.


See, this is why I qualified my statement as "many on the left" rather than simply "leftists" or "liberals"; because I know that they are not a homogeneous block of people with identical viewpoints and opinions but rather a diverse group of individuals with unique sets of positions that may share a few commonalities. While Neanthumain wants to improve his own party's ability to get their message out, other people of similar political persuasion like to make menacing comments about bringing back the fairness doctrine and muse about other ways of suppressing their ideological opponent's message through the application of other statutes regulating political speech; neither approach is universal among Leftists and I think that's an important distinction.

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I sometimes get the distinct impression that some on the Right perceive politics as all-out war by other means and would happily ban political dissent if they could. The Right has a way of enforcing a peculiarly rigid orthodoxy even on itself.


An affliction unfortunately not confined tot he political Right, I just think they're a bit better at it is all.


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26 Nov 2010, 8:21 pm

Just for fun...:

There’s a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to FOX and to MSNBC: ‘Out. Off. End. Goodbye.’ It would be a big favor to political discourse; our ability to do our work here in Congress, and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and more importantly, in their future.”

– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV).


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26 Nov 2010, 8:53 pm

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Just for fun...:

There’s a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to FOX and to MSNBC: ‘Out. Off. End. Goodbye.’ It would be a big favor to political discourse; our ability to do our work here in Congress, and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and more importantly, in their future.”

– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV).


To think that creatures like this purport to guard our liberties.

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26 Nov 2010, 9:06 pm

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Just for fun...:

There’s a little bug inside of me which wants to get the FCC to say to FOX and to MSNBC: ‘Out. Off. End. Goodbye.’ It would be a big favor to political discourse; our ability to do our work here in Congress, and to the American people, to be able to talk with each other and have some faith in their government and more importantly, in their future.”

– Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV).


To think that creatures like this purport to guard our liberties.

ruveyn


Yeah, they guard our liberties about as well as a thief guards a bank.