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14 Jan 2011, 12:04 am

I guess this has to do with the personal defense side of the argument.

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It's good you recognize that it's an emotional thing. The next step is to recognize what that emotion is. It's fear. I do not go through life afraid and I do not need a gun.


It’s not so much a fear thing as a precaution.
I don’t live in fear of having a major auto accident every day but I wear my seat belts because of the potential. (The fine for not wearing them in this state is negligible enough not to be a consideration).

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While in Israel my son at the age of three was struck by a stupid careless Israeli driver and was rendered quadriplegic on a respirator for the rest of his short thirty two year life. A gun really would have been of no use there.
Both my parents and my wife and my injured son died miserably of medical afflictions. A gun was of no use there.


I don’t see a logical statement here as it applies to this debate. A gun is not a fix-all and no one has said it is.

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I mention these personal incidents to emphasize that my life has not been particularly smooth and I am reasonably careful and stay away from dangerous situations as much as possible and do not tempt fate but life, for everybody, is a temporary condition and I can live it in fear or take it as it comes and deal with it as best I can. I do not need a gun.


I think I can say that most of us on the pro-gun side of this debate avoid situations when possible. I know I do but sometimes the situation finds us. It happens just often enough to at least warrant consideration and the mindset to go with it.

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The concept of living amongst frightened people carrying guns holds no attraction for me whatsoever.


That’s funny, I don’t feel frightened. Thanks for enlightening me about myself, though.
I guess I’ll go hide under my bed now………………..NOT!

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14 Jan 2011, 12:10 am

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Yep, I don't trade liberty for security, it's hardly a new idea.


You sound pretty pleased with yourself. I must be wallowing in my lack of liberty in Australia and Canada must be the same :roll:


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14 Jan 2011, 12:40 am

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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

Yes, imagine that, don't ban guns, but the patriot act is ok.


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14 Jan 2011, 12:40 am

"If ye love wealth better than liberty,
the tranquility of servitude
better than the animating contest of freedom,
go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsels or your arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you,
and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

-Samuel Adams, Philadelphia State House, August 1, 1776


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14 Jan 2011, 12:40 am

Inuyasha wrote:
91 wrote:
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Yep, I don't trade liberty for security, it's hardly a new idea.


You sound pretty pleased with yourself. I must be wallowing in my lack of liberty in Australia and Canada must be the same :roll:


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin


I have run into rather difficult plumbing problems many times in my life - far more than perilous situations requiring a gun. I do not carry an adjustable pipe wrench on my belt.



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14 Jan 2011, 12:42 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin

Yes, imagine that, don't ban guns, but the patriot act is ok.

Who ever said the patriot act was okay? :?


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14 Jan 2011, 12:42 am

Sand wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
91 wrote:
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Yep, I don't trade liberty for security, it's hardly a new idea.


You sound pretty pleased with yourself. I must be wallowing in my lack of liberty in Australia and Canada must be the same :roll:


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin


I have run into rather difficult plumbing problems many times in my life - far more than perilous situations requiring a gun. I do not carry an adjustable pipe wrench on my belt.


Yeah like you're going to run into a plumbing situation everywhere you go... :roll:



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14 Jan 2011, 12:46 am

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Who ever said the patriot act was okay?

Fox News et all and specifically Glenn Beck before 2009 (The year in which government control suddenly became bad again). Since Inuyasha is a Fox News zombie , I was just showing him the inconsistencies he has in his mind thanks to Fox News.


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14 Jan 2011, 12:47 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Sand wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
91 wrote:
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Yep, I don't trade liberty for security, it's hardly a new idea.


You sound pretty pleased with yourself. I must be wallowing in my lack of liberty in Australia and Canada must be the same :roll:


They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. -- Benjamin Franklin


I have run into rather difficult plumbing problems many times in my life - far more than perilous situations requiring a gun. I do not carry an adjustable pipe wrench on my belt.


Yeah like you're going to run into a plumbing situation everywhere you go... :roll:


Yeah, like you're going to run into a maniac with a gun or a homicidal thug everywhere you go. I have lived almost 85 years and been to a lot of places and never run into a killer with a gun. On the other hand, there's lots of plumbing I've had to deal with. Where the hell do you live? Somalia?



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14 Jan 2011, 1:06 am

You don't have to live in Somalia to be in an area with a high chance of being put in a life threatening situation. Just because one person has never had an incident happen to them doesn't mean another person might have several.


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14 Jan 2011, 1:09 am

I don't think owning a gun is a bad thing. There are some gun cultures in the world, however, that definitely need to take it down a notch and go on an introspective hike while contemplating their impact on the rest of us who don't want anything to do with guns unless it involves deer steak



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14 Jan 2011, 1:16 am

I can only act on my own personal and rather varied and very long experience and come to the conclusion that habitual gun carriers suffer from a form of paranoia.



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14 Jan 2011, 1:18 am

I think some of them see it as a second C**K



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14 Jan 2011, 1:28 am

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I think some of them see it as a second C**K


Oh, it's much better than that; is your "weapon" made of steel and does it spit fire? :lol:


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14 Jan 2011, 1:33 am

You just helped me figure out why I didn't get laid tonight 8)



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14 Jan 2011, 1:51 am

There are two obvious dangers with carrying a lethal weapon. One is that it guarantees safety and the owner is more likely than normal to enter into dangerous situations. The second is that judgment as to what is a danger can be highly distorted and innocents will suffer. These are dangers much more to avoid than to indulge in the false luxury that you are safe with a gun.
I have heard this from a former gun carrier who decided it was too dangerous to have a weapon.