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05 Apr 2012, 4:40 pm

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Do you agree with what 01001011 said? You didn't answer my question.


I believe what he's hinting at is theological non-cognitivism,
although even if we delve into the specific aspects of what, exactly, god is, I would answer the same for every attribute commonly-ascribed to the figure:

"I dunno of any evidence for or against it, so I believe in neither until there is."

Was that your question?


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05 Apr 2012, 6:40 pm

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I have no problem saying that non-sentient objects are identical in their lack of beliefs about X (fill in the blank) to reasoned skeptics.


You should prove it by posting a picture of yourself high-fiving a brick :lol:


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I so totally do. :lol:


You just believe you do.

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So I'm guessing since you refuse to provide reasoning as to why this is the case,
despite having been asked by me for it several times, that you have none?


I have, want me to post it again?

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I believe what he's hinting at is theological non-cognitivism,


Thanks VW, but I didn't ask you to categorize their reasoning. I asked you if you agreed with it. More specifically I asked you if you were defending what they were saying. It's up there, you can look again, go ahead.

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although even if we delve into the specific aspects of what, exactly, god is, I would answer the same for every attribute commonly-ascribed to the figure:

"I dunno of any evidence for or against it, so I believe in neither until there is."


To believe something doesn't require evidence. People believe God without evidence. People believe that God doesn't exist without evidence. You're brain is equipped to generate a position on a concept that has been laid out for you. You can even have more than one belief about it! WOW

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Was that your question?


No.I asked you if you were defending 01001011's position. They stated that God wasn't a concept, and you quoted what I said in response to their claim and gave me your two-cents about what I told them. It looks very much to me like you're defending what they are saying. So are you? And why are you?


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05 Apr 2012, 7:24 pm

My head is starting to hurt every time snapcap says something about atheism.



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05 Apr 2012, 7:26 pm

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My head is starting to hurt every time snapcap says something about atheism.


Do you know what I have for breakfast?


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05 Apr 2012, 7:28 pm

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My head is starting to hurt every time snapcap says something about atheism.


Do you know what I have for breakfast?


No I don't do you no anything about atheism the answer no you don't.



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05 Apr 2012, 7:29 pm

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My head is starting to hurt every time snapcap says something about atheism.


Do you know what I have for breakfast?


No I don't do you no anything about atheism the answer no you don't.


Atheists.

I eat atheists for breakfast LOL

Just the weak ones.


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05 Apr 2012, 7:33 pm

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My head is starting to hurt every time snapcap says something about atheism.


Do you know what I have for breakfast?


No I don't do you no anything about atheism the answer no you don't.


Atheists.

I eat atheists for breakfast LOL

Just the weak ones.


So you eat a non belief for breafest hmm I would think it would have no taste :lol:



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05 Apr 2012, 7:41 pm

snapcap wrote:
To believe something doesn't require evidence.

For ME to believe it, it most certainly does.
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People believe God without evidence. People believe that God doesn't exist without evidence.

Cool story, bro. I'm not one of them.
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You're brain is equipped to generate a position on a concept that has been laid out for you.

Not without evidence. I'm sorry. I don't know what else to tell you. I've never been able believe something without evidence.
Explain how I would try to go about doing this, please?
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No.I asked you if you were defending 01001011's position. They stated that God wasn't a concept, and you quoted what I said in response to their claim and gave me your two-cents about what I told them. It looks very much to me like you're defending what they are saying. So are you? And why are you?

God's a concept.


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05 Apr 2012, 7:43 pm

God is a concpet in religious thought that is what I believe but I tend to have friends with or with out beliefs of any kind because I keep my religion to myself and i expalined already what a secular christian is I am not the only one on WP like this either.



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05 Apr 2012, 7:51 pm

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God's a concept.


Yup, God is a concept, one that you believe to be not real because of the lack of evidence, as you stated. Although evidence is really required for knowledge of a particular concept. You're still free to believe what ever you want about it without evidence. But you are not free to not believe in it at all.

Again, you're telling me that your thoughts about it is the same as if you never heard of it in the first place. Of course, that's ludicrous.


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05 Apr 2012, 7:52 pm

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ValentineWiggin wrote:
God's a concept.


Yup, God is a concept, one that you believe to be not real because of the lack of evidence, as you stated. Although evidence is really required for knowledge of a particular concept. You're still free to believe what ever you want about it without evidence. But you are not free to not believe in it at all.

Again, you're telling me that your thoughts about it is the same as if you never heard of it in the first place. Of course, that's ludicrous.


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05 Apr 2012, 8:09 pm

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But you are not free to not believe in it at all.

So, I'll ask one final time:
who's stopping me?

(A: No one.)

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Again, you're telling me that your thoughts about it is the same as if you never heard of it in the first place. Of course, that's ludicrous.

I heard it.
Considered it.
And was unable to believe either claim as to god's existence due to lack of supporting evidence.

At which part of this process do you become confused, mentally?


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05 Apr 2012, 8:10 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
snapcap wrote:
But you are not free to not believe in it at all.

So, I'll ask one final time:
who's stopping me?

(A: No one.)

snapcap wrote:
Again, you're telling me that your thoughts about it is the same as if you never heard of it in the first place. Of course, that's ludicrous.

I heard it.
Considered it.
And was unable to believe either claim as to god's existence due to lack of supporting evidence.

At which part of this process do you become confused, mentally?


I wish I knew the answer to this question so he can talk about other thing's for once.



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06 Apr 2012, 12:57 am

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What do you believe in?


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06 Apr 2012, 2:31 am

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That is not what I was saying. "Skeptic" in my scenario always had a position (even though it changed) throughout the scenario. We agree on that.


Are you saying that the skeptic does have a belief? That's not what a weak atheist is said to have.

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I said "position," not belief. A lack of belief can be a position.



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06 Apr 2012, 2:44 am

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Oh gosh I just need to ask this Snapcap are you a atheist?


Maybe I am, mabye I'm not. I hold my rationalism above my belief :wink:

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I have heard weak atheists refer to themselves as "Rationalists." Anyone else (absent sufficient evidence) is using faith to determine their beliefs, instead of reason. Strong atheists require a "leap of faith" to believe that there are no gods. I, on the other hand (as a weak atheist) personally would say that it is just very unlikely that any gods exist.



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