Che Guevara: Hero or Villan?

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Oh so that's the game. I am asked my opinion and when I give it I am called a troll. IMO you are violating TOS. Well, I will express my opinion whether you like it or not.

I am asked my opinion and when I give it I am called a troll.

I don't have time right now to check your previous comments to see if you're really a troll or not, but... can you give arguments supporting the idea that Ernesto Ché Guevara was irrelevant?

This post of yours and the quotes within it contain my previous comment. Why are you people accusing me of trolling for stating an inoffensive opinion? I have said nothing

against the man or the people who remember him, have I?

I did not say he was irrelevant during his era, I'm saying that he is not relevant now. He has no perceivable impact on global geo-politics or on the region that he once impacted,

IMO.

If you had specified it would have been much better.

Now I had the time to check your previous comments and... to be frank I can't fully ascertain you're a troll, but on the other hand I can't say you aren't one either. A fair amount of your posts have little content, and in this one it's almost a textbook case of trolling.

Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but if it's not constructive then you should keep it to yourself. I don't see how expressing your boredom at the topic of that thread helps to accomplish anything, that's just plain mean, and even if it was not your intention you should know it's likely to be interpreted that way. Or we're aspies after all, so maybe you didn't realize that comes off as offensive. In that case, the more you know~

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Villain.

He's no different than Anders Behring Breivik or Osama Bin Laden if you overlook the fact that these guys are on different sides of the one-dimensional right vs. left axis.

Batista built more than one thousand schools, increased the life-expectancy from 52 to 64 years and in 1958, Cuba had 90% of the GDP Italy had. Allthough he was an a**hole, he was the lesser of two evils. Since 1959, more than 70,000 Cubans have died trying to get away from Cuba and today, a medical doctor earns less than 25% in one month than a hooker earns in one night.

Castro and his peers never cared about the people; they merely took advantage of a tense political situation and saw this as an opportunity to become rich and powerful.

To be fair, under Castro illiteracy has been eradicated, life expectancy has gone up to 78 years and although doctors aren't well paid they are plentiful. I'm not defending the regime, but everything has to be put in perspective.

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That is true anywhere.

Huh... right now an objective comparation of Castro and Batista's good and bad deeds could be very useful. Yet another case where I lack the required knowledge... by now.

And I don't believe that Castro was in it for the power since the beginning, he probably had lofty ideals that were twisted and/or lost under the entrapments of power. Right now I admire that even though most of the Cubans live in a situation that we would call of poverty, all of them have a roof, all of them have something to eat, and in general all of them have their basic needs covered. They all live better than the 30% of the Colombian population. Such equality is noteworthy, such a shame it's taken down to such a low common denominator.

Jineteras don't get paid quite that much, but I take your point. Doctors have the option of doing stints overseas (anywhere from 6 months to 2 year postings) and if they choose to do that, they get paid by international standards, which means they come back to the island very rich. We have too many doctors in Cuba, that is why the overseas option is so well paid.

Castro doesn't truly care about the people now, and nobody will dispute that with you.

But many of the economic conditions are due to the blockade (not embargo, there is a difference), which was imposed by the US and has been backed up by other countries also.

The problem with imposing that blockade on the people, is that they cannot tell the difference between why he is in power. He is in power because of the situation, not because of the people. Therefore the blockade accomplishes nothing because it is based on the wrong causation, it only hurts the people and strengthens Castro.

The failure of the US government to realize even that simple fact (that it was the situation and not the people that caused Castro to come to power, and therefore the blockade is useless), has only solidified his power there, because by doing that, they gave him even more power than previously.

What's even worse is that after 60 years, they have still failed to realize and rectify their mistake.



For the majority, it has probably been somewhat of a good thing, if you exclude the top 20% who would have had to downgrade. Nobody denies the hardship they go through, but in my family before the only occupations were seamstresses, dancers, musicians, teachers, cooks and blacksmiths. Compare that to now, where we have doctors, nurses, dancers, a couple in the sciences (biochemists, physicists etc) and university professors, that is a huge change in just 2 generations.

Most of that change comes from free education (including free university), healthcare and basic necessities, which under previous presidents, were simply never seen as an option. The high cost of living their is largely due to their lack of food security and the lack of manufacturing industry there, which they are currently trying to address although I doubt they will be successful, as they need to be more pragmatic about it.

I find it hard to believe this man was ever really ideologically motivated. But even if he started out as a sincerely motivated revolutionary, I doubt if he remained sincere in his ideas as time progressed and his fame increased. Even in his life he became somewhat of a pop star and a cult figure. That is known to have detrimental effects on mental health. Sure, he risked his life, so do street racers and bullfighters, they're attracted to the thrill of mortal danger, and I can't help but think the case might have been similar with Che's campaigns.

He was intelligent, reckless, and ambitious. And I believe that with those qualities, and his charisma, he could have made it anywhere, whether under capitalism or communism, as a doctor or as a revolutionary. It's not that I am on principal against those holding communist convictions, not at all, but I don't particularly like what I know of him, leaving his politics out of consideration.

And I would never voluntarily wear, let alone purchase, a t-shirt depicting the profile of this Cuban desperado. I am disgusted with the recognition this villain receives in that way, and worst of all is that most people seem to be totally oblivious as to who they're actually carrying around like that! Ridiculous. I wonder how long it will take before we can walk around with an image of, if not Hitler, perhaps Stalin or Mussolini like that, without anyone commenting upon it.

I don't like him, I don't like that, and I oppose that kind of idolatrous veneration in general.

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How is that a problem.

A doctor in Norway after many years of service earns roughly 15,000 dollars a month. A Norwegian escort charges roughly 250 dollars an hour and most of its goes to a pimp.