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I don't see why science is such a big deal. Scientists can't even figure out how a bicycle works. According to science, it is not supposed to do what it does. Sometimes you do things, or just know things, and you need to throw science out the window. Science did not make a bicycle. A guy thought it would work. He thought it would be cool. So he did it. And now scientists ride them every day. Knowing the fact that it is theoretically impossible for it to work the way it does, and they don't really know why. You have to feel it. Something science does not know anything about. And possibly never will.

What a load of BS. Once again you are conflating common sense with reality. You see a bike, lots of them, being ridden everyday then assume that the physics behind them must be simple. Then when you find out that the physics is not FULLY understood you give the exalted cry of "see science is crap, it cant even work out how a bike works.

First up, without physics you would not realize the mechanism of a bike is extraordinarily complex. And secondly when science points this out you see this as a weakness in out knowledge rather than an example of just how far we have come.

Why don't you go learn about what we know instead of pretending that science gets it wrong or simply cannot explain simple things, go learn about spacetime, understand why mass less particles must move at the speed they do. Go learn about cosmology and how we use these concepts to determine what is going on in the universe, and most importantly go learn how we use particle physics and quantum mechanics in our everyday lives. Once you have done this then you might have a grasp of why not fully understanding how a bicycle works goes to show just how complicated it is.

If you don't think science is a big deal may I suggest you never again use a gps, do not turn on your computer, put down your phone, certainly never go and have a PET scan, or MRI, in fact leave all types of modern medicine to those fools who revel in knowledge garnered through the scientific method and rely, instead on the Doctrine of Signatures to determine which plants you should consume as medicine.

A person's beliefs are not fixed. Theists can become atheists. I can say their beliefs are irrational or even stupid, but people aren't necessarily stupid for believing them, they just make mistakes, or they are misinformed, or they don't know certain facts. I try to treat people with respect, if they deserve it. A belief is an abstract thing that can be addressed or even ridiculed apart from the person.

Looks like the burning martyr was actually guilty of the crime that she was being martyred for: quoting out of context. Lol!

In that same thread LNH also asserted that it takes faith to deny the overwhelming evidence that extraterrestrials programed life on earth- evidence presented in her favorite Russell Crow science fiction thriller. So much faith that- the fact that scientists dont immediately drop Darwin, and start adopting the Russell Crow model proves that "scientists are all practicing religion". I tried to get her to share this overwhelming evidence, but she danced around the issue for five pages, and still has yet to present it.

Wow! Science has it's place just like anything else. It does not explain everything, and it will not. Just exactly what makes that ego of yours know how I think anyways? You have been wrong about me before, and still are today. Only a fool would believe science can explain everything. Science certianly cannot explain how you make me feel that's for sure. You will not know unless I tell you. I'm not trying to bait anyone here sir. before you go flying off your handles on me again with all of your self importance read this please. [img]http:// New Statesman | We still don?t really know how bicycles work
http://www.newstatesman.com/science/201 ... ycles-work[/img]

And hey. No swearing! Have a great day.

Well I know how my bicycle works: there are leprechauns running alongside using their magic to make it possible.

[img][600:800]http://www.thebicyclingguitarist.net/graphics/lego/leprechaun.png[/img]

Is there a reason why a theist does not deserve respect? Other than the illegal deeds they may perform of course?

Now here is something I would love to learn from you, please, at any time I would welcome your "grammatical nitpicking", even more welcome would be help with my punctuation. Good to see you posting, looking forward to crossing swords on matters other than grammar and punctuation

BTW how is the vegan diet going?

I look at it this way: I respects the right of people to have beliefs, but not always the beliefs themselves. Would you respect the belief that the earth is flat? I don't, but people are free to believe it anyway.

@yournamehere

I feel I owe you a partial apology. From what I can deduce from your posts, I wrongly assumed you to be in the "religion trumps science" camp, this is why I got so aggressive to your "whats the big deal about science" post. I thought, wrongly as it would appear, that you are of the same character as some of the YECS in this forum. So for implying that you are a scientific denier who should forgo the wonders of scientific discovery, I apologise.

There is however a "but" attached to this apology;

I am fully cognisant of the fact that we do not completely understand ALL the mechanisms which CAN keep a bicycle upright, However your assertion that "Scientists can't even figure out how a bicycle works. According to science, it is not supposed to do what it does." is pushing the envelope way too far, the article you cite is grossly misreporting the actual Paper.

The New Statesmen article that you get your information from states "The publication plunged bicycle dynamics back into chaos. It turns out that taking into account the angles of the headset and the forks, the distribution of weight and the handlebar turn, the gyroscopic effects are not enough to keep a bike upright after all"

The above statement is bordering upon being completely fallacious, and is certainly grossly misleading at best.

The actual paper is titled "A Bicycle Can Be Self-Stable Without Gyroscopic or Caster Effects" and goes on to show that although a Conventional bike DOES require these mechanisms, this is not the only configuration that will work. To quote from the abstract "A riderless bicycle can automatically steer itself so as to recover from falls. The common view is that this self-steering is caused by gyroscopic precession of the front wheel, or by the wheel contact trailing like a caster behind the steer axis. We show that neither effect is necessary for self-stability. Using linearized stability calculations as a guide, we built a bicycle with extra counter-rotating wheels (canceling the wheel spin angular momentum) and with its front-wheel ground-contact forward of the steer axis (making the trailing distance negative). When laterally disturbed from rolling straight, this bicycle automatically recovers to upright travel. Our results show that various design variables, like the front mass location and the steer axis tilt, contribute to stability in complex interacting ways."

So I would suggest that your statement is incorrect.

~John Lennon


The area I live in is a haven for fundamentalist Christians, who live their life by making Jesus a GOD instead of philosopher; teacher; a person with a way to a better life.

Yes, John 3:16 is their mantra of life. But unfortunately it misses the entire message of even what's in the rest of the new testament that does makes sense in accordance with the laws of human nature.

The man Jesus aka Yeshua's real reported message is there is a higher power in this life, now, that a person can tap into to cure themselves of life's ills.

Well, science does most definitely show that to be true in many ways now, as science indicates that attitude and stress itself is a killer of human beings, down to the destruction of the central nervous system, respiratory system, and cardio-vascular system too, as well as other bodily systems too.

Stress hormones are only truly meant for sporadic bursts of flight of fight.

Culture for thousands of years now, has been bringing illusory fears, to basically shorten the lives of folks concurrently with the technology of sanitation and medicine that lengthens life as well.

Jesus, the real man Jesus, as indicated in earlier text than the Roman Catholic and Roman Empire twist for power ways, basically says forget the lies of culture, you have the power in your self, to heal your self, and yes, science does indicate this as true; all you have to do is get in control of stress and don't let it control you. Yes, hard to do, when a person is under control of other folks for their very subsistence of hand to mouth existence.

Well, anyway, the first Sunday of every month my wife's relatives have us come to an elderly Baptist preacher's family get together on his farm.

In his little church he went to the trouble of buying all the kids shirts that say: it's not about me it?s about Jesus.

Well the problem about that is: Jesus is dead.

The kids are alive.

They have the opportunity to control and improve their life through the real human attributes of will, belief, faith, and hope. Yes, these are real human powerful emotions that emote aka as moving folks forward to a better life. But the power is all theirs, not a dead man that showed folks a way to get there through their own will, belief, faith and hope, and no one else but them.

It is about me.

Our Universes start and end with me.

But we connect too, to others too, and that is where love and empathy comes in, with science having a better understanding now of what makes human's tick, in this way of love and empathy too.

Anytime a person personally attacks someone, I cringe a little bit, as it such an obvious indication that, that person only feels inferior.

In science, it is no part of science; emotionalism is all it is.

And there is absolutely no place for it, in formal debate.

And yes, the reason this forum can never be considered actual debate, as it is freely allowed here.

All it does is cloud the real issues at hand.

But never the less, this forum is one described as discussion; not debate; and yes discussion often includes personal attacks.

And yes, personally attacking one's beliefs (i.e. you are a troll, moron, idiot, etc. for believing that way) is most definitely a form of that. A person is their beliefs; it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

That's why they say never discuss politics and religion with someone who you want to be friends with; you attack their soul, yes their figurative soul, and you get bit back; most often, if you attack their beliefs as belief's are core to 'soul'.

My religious beliefs about GOD as the GOD of nature are impervious to scientific argument.

But still, the Christian folks in my area, think I'm some kind of devil when I tell them in my shorts in 18 degree weather that I have developed the power to be impervious to these cold temperatures by the 'all seeing power' of the GOD of nature. I only giggle inside, not outside to make them feel bad; there's not much flack they are going to give a 230LB martial artist.

No, I wasn't always the alpha male by far; but per my GOD off nature it is definitely the best way to go in life; if you have the power within your will to make yourself the Alpha male. And no, don't think you can't; or you won't. Even moving from totally disabled to that point at age 53 to 54 for me.

I believed; that made the difference. And no I wasn't trying to be above anyone; it's just how people view you when you are strong and fearless on the inside and outside too. That makes it even more fun, as I do not care if people show me respect non-verbally or verbally in real life, anyway. And yes, that too is part of what naturally makes me an Alpha male too. It's just a part of nature. And oh my F**ning GOD NATURE is just as awesome as science.

And hell yes, if you don't believe it, I have more than enough evidence on many places on the Internet to make you a believer on that one. The power of the Alpha male is proven as valuable as a real GOD of nature given talent. And respected everywhere a person goes in real life, too, most often.

And yes it is definitely on topic as Jesus said; basically you can do anything you want; with faith, belief and hope and most importantly the will of you and Mother Nature true aka GOD for me and many others too.

But on a scientific point; it's not some supernatural magic; it's epigenetics and neuroplasticity; if there is enough environmental challenge through adversity; either stimulated by the environment or you, change in adaptation both mental and physical does and will occur, as in our DNA we have the ability to un-domesticate ourselves, basically, and bring the inner 'APE' out, and yes retain civility too, as balance as well.

It's what Yogi's in the Tibetan Mountains do. And science does prove it out, as yes true in all of what human potential can be with Tibetan Yogi's too.

And yes, Bruce Lee is another excellent example. He's probably more like the real man Jesus, than anyone else in recent history.

They both have something in common; neither one believes in fundamentalist ways of religion. And both of them very much believe in me, and the GOD of nature too.

Be the water not the chalice rings true for both historical men.

And yes, words I live by every now of every now.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGK84Poeynk[/youtube]

And science..

Well..
Science provides a tremendous amount of evidence for an interconnecting force of all things that connects us all..

aka GOD the ONE i know of NATURE TRUE..too...

THIS GOD WILL NOT FIT IN ANY BOOK..:)

It's way too big.

And still mysterious.. too..;)

It would be the same with anyone, rudeness, arrogance, deliberate ignorance, preaching, ect.

O.k

I believe science does know how bicycles work, but not knowing everything is not an excuse to believe nonsense.

This is not actually true. Science knows how a bicycle works. What they have found is that it just that the gyroscopic effect is not needed (although all conventional bicycle depend on it in part). It is actually the angles of the frame that are the major factors in steering corrections. I looked this study up a while back (2010 or 2011) and it was just some guys who built a bicycle that does not need the gyroscopic effect, and nothing more. Although this has been seized on by plenty of "news" outlets as proof that science is wrong.

And before you try to say no one knows how planes can take off or even stay in the air (another falsehood frequently cited as fact), I'll just let you know that plenty of physicists know exactly how. More than one grad student has made it the subject of their thesis in one shape or another, and it turns out that it is a fairly easy thesis to defend (although it is a bit on the lazy side).

Watch "Five simple questions science CAN'T ANSWER - This?" on YouTube
Five simple questions science CAN'T ANSWER - This?: http://youtu.be/YHCounW3VO0

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