03 Mar 2009, 10:04 am
Henriksson wrote:
What do you think? Should we allow America to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their plutocracy, before it is to late?
See, I can do it too!
It is our plutocracy and only we are allowed to overthrow it.
ruveyn
03 Mar 2009, 6:14 pm
Henriksson wrote:
I think we should start a civil war in US and then join one side of the war. The reasons are numerous.
1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.
2) We need to eliminate the capitalist dictatorship that exists in America. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the American government we eliminate the only existing sane nation that seriously violates human rights.
3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay America what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in China.
4) America is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.
5) If helped American people over throw their plutocracy, we would become allies, and help the American people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's sane countries.
What do you think? Should we allow America to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their plutocracy, before it is to late?
See, I can do it too!
1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.
2) We need to eliminate the capitalist dictatorship that exists in America. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the American government we eliminate the only existing sane nation that seriously violates human rights.
3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay America what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in China.
4) America is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.
5) If helped American people over throw their plutocracy, we would become allies, and help the American people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's sane countries.
What do you think? Should we allow America to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their plutocracy, before it is to late?
See, I can do it too!
No, I don't think Sweden can do anything militarily. They are weak nation with no speakable military or influence.
I think we should start a civil war in Sweden just to see what kind of weapons Sweden would have.
How come people are always killing themselves in Sweden?
03 Mar 2009, 6:19 pm
IdahoAspie wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
I think we should start a civil war in US and then join one side of the war. The reasons are numerous.
1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.
2) We need to eliminate the capitalist dictatorship that exists in America. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the American government we eliminate the only existing sane nation that seriously violates human rights.
3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay America what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in China.
4) America is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.
5) If helped American people over throw their plutocracy, we would become allies, and help the American people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's sane countries.
What do you think? Should we allow America to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their plutocracy, before it is to late?
See, I can do it too!
1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.
2) We need to eliminate the capitalist dictatorship that exists in America. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the American government we eliminate the only existing sane nation that seriously violates human rights.
3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay America what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in China.
4) America is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.
5) If helped American people over throw their plutocracy, we would become allies, and help the American people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's sane countries.
What do you think? Should we allow America to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their plutocracy, before it is to late?
See, I can do it too!
No, I don't think Sweden can do anything militarily. They are weak nation with no speakable military or influence.
I think we should start a civil war in Sweden just to see what kind of weapons Sweden would have.
How come people are always killing themselves in Sweden?
They're killing themselves here in the US as well buddy! I donno where Idaho ranks but my home town of Seattle has one of the highest suicide rates of ANY Major city in the US. Plenty of sucides in Nevada and Alaska as well. But WTF does Sweden have to with this?A war with China would be a chance for the Chinese Military to test some of its new weapons like the SUNBURN supersonic nuclear cruise missle and supercavitating torpedoes. If you REALLY think Russia would do nothing than take it up with the Kremlin and get back to us about what they say.
03 Mar 2009, 6:20 pm
03 Mar 2009, 6:30 pm
Haliphron wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
I think we should start a civil war in US and then join one side of the war. The reasons are numerous.
1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.
2) We need to eliminate the capitalist dictatorship that exists in America. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the American government we eliminate the only existing sane nation that seriously violates human rights.
3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay America what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in China.
4) America is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.
5) If helped American people over throw their plutocracy, we would become allies, and help the American people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's sane countries.
What do you think? Should we allow America to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their plutocracy, before it is to late?
See, I can do it too!
1) It would bring back the economy, spending money on a war brought us out of a depression, it would do the same now.
2) We need to eliminate the capitalist dictatorship that exists in America. It has major gross human rights violations. By eliminating the American government we eliminate the only existing sane nation that seriously violates human rights.
3) We could reduce the national debt and the trade deficit. We would not need to pay America what we owe them. And we would not be purchasing goods them. Instead we would be manufacturing them in China.
4) America is destroying the environment. The amount of population is incrediablty destructive to the planet, and people living there, and soon the oceans and the even the world's ecosystem.
5) If helped American people over throw their plutocracy, we would become allies, and help the American people live in and experience a Democracy like the rest of the world's sane countries.
What do you think? Should we allow America to continue as it is? Or is now the time to overturn their plutocracy, before it is to late?
See, I can do it too!
No, I don't think Sweden can do anything militarily. They are weak nation with no speakable military or influence.
I think we should start a civil war in Sweden just to see what kind of weapons Sweden would have.
How come people are always killing themselves in Sweden?
They're killing themselves here in the US as well buddy! I donno where Idaho ranks but my home town of Seattle has one of the highest suicide rates of ANY Major city in the US. Plenty of sucides in Nevada and Alaska as well. But WTF does Sweden have to with this?A war with China would be a chance for the Chinese Military to test some of its new weapons like the SUNBURN supersonic nuclear cruise missle and supercavitating torpedoes. If you REALLY think Russia would do nothing than take it up with the Kremlin and get back to us about what they say.
Hal,
You greatly underestimate the capabilities of the US military. An ebomb would wipe out any nuclear bomb and sink every submarine. Our anti-missile systems would would shoot down every Chinese missile ten times over. Your knowledge of US defense systems seems very antiquated. It isn't 1986. Do you know why the Star Wars program was stopped? It was stopped because the Navy found a way to stop missiles more accurately and cheaply from the ground. China does not have that many missiles.
China doesn't have enough missiles. It doesn't even have enough rice to feed its people.
03 Mar 2009, 6:34 pm
03 Mar 2009, 6:39 pm
e-Bombs would sink EVERY submarine??? 
Naval subs can dive to sufficient depths that the ONLY electromagnetic radiation that can reach down there is ELF which requires an antenna 10s of miles long. eBombs are NOT designed for submarine use, they are designed to disable ground forces AND anti-aircraft defenses primarily.I think YOU underestimate what the SUNBURN can do with its ~200KT nuclear warhead. When the warhead detonates the explosion will produce an EMP of its own. WHAT makes you so certain that only the US Military has eBombs and the Chinese and Russians dont? Russia is actually working on a Stealth Missile designed to evade detection by Missile Defense radar. Keep in mind that the AEGIS missile defense system was specifically designed for ballistic missiles and its ability to shoot down supersonic sea-skimming cruise missiles remains UNPROVEN.
03 Mar 2009, 7:16 pm
Haliphron wrote:
e-Bombs would sink EVERY submarine???
Naval subs can dive to sufficient depths that the ONLY electromagnetic radiation that can reach down there is ELF which requires an antenna 10s of miles long. eBombs are NOT designed for submarine use, they are designed to disable ground forces AND anti-aircraft defenses primarily.I think YOU underestimate what the SUNBURN can do with its ~200KT nuclear warhead. When the warhead detonates the explosion will produce an EMP of its own. WHAT makes you so certain that only the US Military has eBombs and the Chinese and Russians dont? Russia is actually working on a Stealth Missile designed to evade detection by Missile Defense radar. Keep in mind that the AEGIS missile defense system was specifically designed for ballistic missiles and its ability to shoot down supersonic sea-skimming cruise missiles remains UNPROVEN.
Naval subs can dive to sufficient depths that the ONLY electromagnetic radiation that can reach down there is ELF which requires an antenna 10s of miles long. eBombs are NOT designed for submarine use, they are designed to disable ground forces AND anti-aircraft defenses primarily.I think YOU underestimate what the SUNBURN can do with its ~200KT nuclear warhead. When the warhead detonates the explosion will produce an EMP of its own. WHAT makes you so certain that only the US Military has eBombs and the Chinese and Russians dont? Russia is actually working on a Stealth Missile designed to evade detection by Missile Defense radar. Keep in mind that the AEGIS missile defense system was specifically designed for ballistic missiles and its ability to shoot down supersonic sea-skimming cruise missiles remains UNPROVEN.
Hal,
The Sunburn is old technology. The SeaRAM made this an obsolete threat.
The Sunburn cannot launch missiles from that deep under the sea. They have to get closer to the surface, the density of water would keep the missiles from firing. I thought you would know that.
You are also forgetting that the US navy has the ability to fry electronics using sound waves.
And how do you know China might not decide to attack the US first. So maybe we should strike first.
03 Mar 2009, 8:01 pm
IdahoAspie wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
e-Bombs would sink EVERY submarine???
Naval subs can dive to sufficient depths that the ONLY electromagnetic radiation that can reach down there is ELF which requires an antenna 10s of miles long. eBombs are NOT designed for submarine use, they are designed to disable ground forces AND anti-aircraft defenses primarily.I think YOU underestimate what the SUNBURN can do with its ~200KT nuclear warhead. When the warhead detonates the explosion will produce an EMP of its own. WHAT makes you so certain that only the US Military has eBombs and the Chinese and Russians dont? Russia is actually working on a Stealth Missile designed to evade detection by Missile Defense radar. Keep in mind that the AEGIS missile defense system was specifically designed for ballistic missiles and its ability to shoot down supersonic sea-skimming cruise missiles remains UNPROVEN.
Naval subs can dive to sufficient depths that the ONLY electromagnetic radiation that can reach down there is ELF which requires an antenna 10s of miles long. eBombs are NOT designed for submarine use, they are designed to disable ground forces AND anti-aircraft defenses primarily.I think YOU underestimate what the SUNBURN can do with its ~200KT nuclear warhead. When the warhead detonates the explosion will produce an EMP of its own. WHAT makes you so certain that only the US Military has eBombs and the Chinese and Russians dont? Russia is actually working on a Stealth Missile designed to evade detection by Missile Defense radar. Keep in mind that the AEGIS missile defense system was specifically designed for ballistic missiles and its ability to shoot down supersonic sea-skimming cruise missiles remains UNPROVEN.
Hal,
The Sunburn is old technology. The SeaRAM made this an obsolete threat.
The Sunburn cannot launch missiles from that deep under the sea. They have to get closer to the surface, the density of water would keep the missiles from firing. I thought you would know that.
You are also forgetting that the US navy has the ability to fry electronics using sound waves.
And how do you know China might not decide to attack the US first. So maybe we should strike first.
WHAT makes you think that the Russians and Chinese dont have an equivalent??? You see to have BLIND FAITH in the invincibility of the US Military and its untested weapons. Cruise missiles CAN be launched from undersea AND there are plenty of ways to protect electronics from a broadband EMP produce ABOVE WATER for a submerged sub. WHAT is this soundwave technology you speak of that can fry electronics, eh?
Russia is currently working on a supersonic missle which make use of plasma stealth and carries a nuclear warhead.(the METEORIT). What are your sources about the capabilities of the Chinese Military?
03 Mar 2009, 11:13 pm
Haliphron wrote:
IdahoAspie wrote:
Haliphron wrote:
e-Bombs would sink EVERY submarine???
Naval subs can dive to sufficient depths that the ONLY electromagnetic radiation that can reach down there is ELF which requires an antenna 10s of miles long. eBombs are NOT designed for submarine use, they are designed to disable ground forces AND anti-aircraft defenses primarily.I think YOU underestimate what the SUNBURN can do with its ~200KT nuclear warhead. When the warhead detonates the explosion will produce an EMP of its own. WHAT makes you so certain that only the US Military has eBombs and the Chinese and Russians dont? Russia is actually working on a Stealth Missile designed to evade detection by Missile Defense radar. Keep in mind that the AEGIS missile defense system was specifically designed for ballistic missiles and its ability to shoot down supersonic sea-skimming cruise missiles remains UNPROVEN.
Naval subs can dive to sufficient depths that the ONLY electromagnetic radiation that can reach down there is ELF which requires an antenna 10s of miles long. eBombs are NOT designed for submarine use, they are designed to disable ground forces AND anti-aircraft defenses primarily.I think YOU underestimate what the SUNBURN can do with its ~200KT nuclear warhead. When the warhead detonates the explosion will produce an EMP of its own. WHAT makes you so certain that only the US Military has eBombs and the Chinese and Russians dont? Russia is actually working on a Stealth Missile designed to evade detection by Missile Defense radar. Keep in mind that the AEGIS missile defense system was specifically designed for ballistic missiles and its ability to shoot down supersonic sea-skimming cruise missiles remains UNPROVEN.
Hal,
The Sunburn is old technology. The SeaRAM made this an obsolete threat.
The Sunburn cannot launch missiles from that deep under the sea. They have to get closer to the surface, the density of water would keep the missiles from firing. I thought you would know that.
You are also forgetting that the US navy has the ability to fry electronics using sound waves.
And how do you know China might not decide to attack the US first. So maybe we should strike first.
WHAT makes you think that the Russians and Chinese dont have an equivalent??? You see to have BLIND FAITH in the invincibility of the US Military and its untested weapons. Cruise missiles CAN be launched from undersea AND there are plenty of ways to protect electronics from a broadband EMP produce ABOVE WATER for a submerged sub. WHAT is this soundwave technology you speak of that can fry electronics, eh?
Russia is currently working on a supersonic missle which make use of plasma stealth and carries a nuclear warhead.(the METEORIT). What are your sources about the capabilities of the Chinese Military?
We could just offer them rice. That would get them to surrender. If that doesn't work, offer them fresh air and drinkable water.
03 Mar 2009, 11:15 pm
03 Mar 2009, 11:54 pm
Quote:
="IdahoAspie"We could just offer them rice. That would get them to surrender. If that doesn't work, offer them fresh air and drinkable water.
Now THERE'S an idea!
But Im curious what makes you so particularly zealous about China and the Chinese government. Is it a concern for their people or simply American nationalism?
IdahoAspie,
One of the important facts about the 21st century arms race is that the internet has created a REVOLUTION in espionage. So among big countries like the US, Russia and China, if one side comes up with a new weapons technology, the other side will aquire it through digital(and human)spy networks! SUNBURN missile tech was invented in Russia but spies have delivered it to the US military. Same is true with US Missile Defense. We'd have no trouble shooting down North Korean or even Iranian Missiles since they dont have the resources(including trained, well-paid engineers)to develop countermeasures.
04 Mar 2009, 12:29 am
04 Mar 2009, 4:19 am
Haliphron wrote:
Quote:
="IdahoAspie"We could just offer them rice. That would get them to surrender. If that doesn't work, offer them fresh air and drinkable water.
Now THERE'S an idea!
But Im curious what makes you so particularly zealous about China and the Chinese government. Is it a concern for their people or simply American nationalism?
IdahoAspie,
One of the important facts about the 21st century arms race is that the internet has created a REVOLUTION in espionage. So among big countries like the US, Russia and China, if one side comes up with a new weapons technology, the other side will aquire it through digital(and human)spy networks! SUNBURN missile tech was invented in Russia but spies have delivered it to the US military. Same is true with US Missile Defense. We'd have no trouble shooting down North Korean or even Iranian Missiles since they dont have the resources(including trained, well-paid engineers)to develop countermeasures.
Up to this point although there have been a couple of easy successes, in general the whole anti-IBM effort is a fiasco more oriented to enriching the arms manufacturers than providing any comprehensible defense. Articles in the Scientific American detail how the whole Bush effort in this area is phony. See http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=hol ... ssile-shie
04 Mar 2009, 9:37 am
04 Mar 2009, 10:39 am
ruveyn wrote:
Never -start- a war, unless you are sure of winning it.
ruveyn
ruveyn
Good Point!
