Favorite politican in the history if the U.S.A

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30 Jun 2009, 9:08 pm

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TJ, good old thomas jefferson, is the only athiest prez ever elected, and was a rather decent fellow.


Wasn't he a Deist?



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30 Jun 2009, 9:26 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
cognito wrote:
TJ, good old thomas jefferson, is the only athiest prez ever elected, and was a rather decent fellow.


Wasn't he a Deist?

Yes, but the more outspoken e-atheists like to claim him as one of their own.


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30 Jun 2009, 9:41 pm

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Master_Pedant wrote:
cognito wrote:
TJ, good old thomas jefferson, is the only athiest prez ever elected, and was a rather decent fellow.


Wasn't he a Deist?

Yes, but the more outspoken e-atheists like to claim him as one of their own.


A vast majority of netroots atheists only claim to continue the Jeffersonian tradition in the sense that both opposed the authoritarian nature of many established religions. Jefferson, if not an anti-religionist, was atleast a radical reformist in contradiction with Church authority. The theist of the time liked to lump Deists with Atheists and Deists did support a more extensive naturalistic framework (with only "first cause") god than most theists of the time.

The most successful netroots atheist I know doesn't claim Jefferson as one of his own.



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30 Jun 2009, 9:54 pm

Which is why I qualified that statement with the modifier "more outspoken." I have seen more than one atheist missionary proclaim that Jefferson was completely godless.


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30 Jun 2009, 10:03 pm

19th Century............ John C. Calhoun, Preston Brooks, William L. Yancey.

20th Century............ A. Mitchell Palmer, and Curtis LeMay.



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01 Jul 2009, 2:19 am

If i remember right, wasn't Calhoun the south's greatest defender for a while? =.= Not suprised he'd be your favorite then Brusilov. <.<



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01 Jul 2009, 2:33 am

Eleanor Roosevelt.


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01 Jul 2009, 6:54 am

cognito wrote:
TJ, good old thomas jefferson, is the only athiest prez ever elected, and was a rather decent fellow.


T.J. never freed a slave while he lived. George Washington did.

T.J. said "All men are created equal"
T.J. did bang his Nubian slave woman Sally Hemming.

Some decent fellow.

Do you see a dissonance here?

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01 Jul 2009, 10:18 am

18th century-George Washington, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson,
19th century-Abraham Lincoln
20th century-TR,FDR,Truman,Eisenhower



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01 Jul 2009, 12:41 pm

STARS AND BARS FOREVER!! !! !! !! !! !

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !

I would be another advocate for Thomas Jefferson, if he would only have refrained from miscegenation. I do admire the Jeffersonian ideal of small-farmers, and I would like to see our country return to a primarily agrarian economic structure.

After a night of reflection, Aaron Burr, James K. Polk, and Roscoe Conkling are a few more politicos I like from the 19th Century



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01 Jul 2009, 1:32 pm

Brusilov wrote:
STARS AND BARS FOREVER!! !! !! !! !! !

THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !

I would be another advocate for Thomas Jefferson, if he would only have refrained from miscegenation. I do admire the Jeffersonian ideal of small-farmers, and I would like to see our country return to a primarily agrarian economic structure.


Somalia and Hatai have primarily agrarian economic structure. You are advocating poverty.

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01 Jul 2009, 2:30 pm

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As of 20th Century mine will go to Coolidge, Eisenhower and Nixon
19th Century will be Lincoin, and Jefferson
18th Century- Washington of course


Huey Long.

He should have become President of United States.



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01 Jul 2009, 2:38 pm

okay, let me rephrase that, TJ, closest thing to athiest ever to be elected to office


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01 Jul 2009, 3:30 pm

This William Aalto chap interests me somewhat. In Hearts of Iron II, if America gets the 'Communist Revolution' event, Willam Aalto appears as one of the ministers, with the awful trait 'Political Backstabber'. I don't know if that qualifies as 'politician'. But he did kick some fascist arse in the Spanish Civil War.

Also, he was homosexual.


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01 Jul 2009, 3:33 pm

Zyborg wrote:
gamefreak wrote:
As of 20th Century mine will go to Coolidge, Eisenhower and Nixon
19th Century will be Lincoin, and Jefferson
18th Century- Washington of course


Huey Long.

He should have become President of United States.


He was ultra crooked and corrupt, even by Louisiana standards. Whoever shot him dead rendered a valuable public service.

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01 Jul 2009, 11:32 pm

Some excerpts from my favorite article on TR, my all time favorite politician from any time and any place:


From Cracked.com

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Checking Teddy Roosevelt's resume is like reading a How-To guide on ass-kicking manliness. He was a cattle rancher, a deputy sheriff, an explorer, a police commissioner, the assistant Secretary of the Navy, the governor of New York, and a war hero. Out of all of his jobs, hobbies and passions, Roosevelt always had a special spot in his heart for unadulterated violence. In 1898, Roosevelt formed the first U.S. Volunteer Cavalry Regiment, known as the Rough Riders. Most people already know of the Rough Riders and their historic charge up San Juan Hill, but few know that, since their horses had to be left behind, the Riders made this charge entirely on foot. You just could not stop this man from violencing the hell out of a San Juan Hill.

And don't think that Roosevelt lost his obsession with violence when he became president, or he might just come back from the dead and murder you, (and how do you kill a Teddy Roosevelt that's already dead!?!). He strolled through the White House with a pistol on his person at all times, though, with his black belt in jujitsu and his history as a champion boxer, it wasn't like he really needed it.

It wasn't just his war record or the fact that he knew several different ways to kill you that made Roosevelt such a badass. It wasn't even the fact that he kept a bear and a lion at the White House as pets, (though that certainly helps). Teddy Roosevelt was a badass of the people. Roosevelt received letters from army cavalrymen complaining about having to ride 25 miles a day for training and, in response, Teddy rode horseback for 100 miles, from sunrise to sunset, at 51 years old, effectively rescinding anyone's right to complain about anything, ever again.

Did we mention he had asthma growing up? He did, and after he beat asthma to death, he ate asthma's raw flesh and ran 100 straight miles off the energy it gave him.

Greatest Display of Badassedry:
While campaigning for a third term, Roosevelt was shot by a madman and, instead of treating the wound, delivered his campaign speech with the bleeding, undressed bullet hole in his chest. On the other end of the spectrum, reasons why certain members of the Cracked Editorial Staff have called out of work over the last year include:

"A cold."
"A stubbed toe."
"It's raining."
"There's a spider near the door."

Most Badass Quote:
This quote actually comes from a fellow politician at the time of Roosevelt's death: "Death had to take him sleeping, for if Roosevelt had been awake there would have been a fight." We have no witty commentary for that. That is just straight up badass.


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