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ruveyn
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28 Jun 2009, 11:51 am

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Is it possible to hallucinate? Yes.

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how do we know that "hallucinations" are meaningless.
I say this as you seem to dismiss anything to do with religion .. open your mind a little.

I am empirical. What are you?

I believe what I can see or measure. What do you believe in.

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28 Jun 2009, 11:54 am

ruveyn wrote:

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Is it possible to hallucinate? Yes.

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how do we know that "hallucinations" are meaningless.
I say this as you seem to dismiss anything to do with religion .. open your mind a little.

I am empirical. What are you?

I believe what I can see or measure. What do you believe in.

ruveyn

I also believe in what I can see and measure.. pherhaps I see difrerently and have my own measuring system... so.. you just believe in things made from particles...

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28 Jun 2009, 11:58 am

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I also believe in what I can see and measure.. pherhaps I see difrerently and have my own measuring system... so.. you just believe in things made from particles...

Fields, particles, perhaps strings in space and time.

Demokritos was basically right. All that there is is physical.

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28 Jun 2009, 12:02 pm

ruveyn wrote:

scorpileo wrote:

I also believe in what I can see and measure.. pherhaps I see difrerently and have my own measuring system... so.. you just believe in things made from particles...

Fields, particles, perhaps strings in space and time.

Demokritos was basically right. All that there is is physical.

ruveyn

thoughts, emotions what are they made of ... yes in a sense there are caused by energy but there meanings are not also science does not prove there is not a god just shows a glimps of how gods does things.

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28 Jun 2009, 12:44 pm

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I have been told that when you die, if you don't commit suicide, you see the light and have a choice whether to go back to earth or not.

what is the source of this information?

I know that from my beliefs that if one kills himself, then he goes to hell. No choice at all. But I dont really know if you get a chance to come back. idk It may sound like I contradicted my statements but bare with me.

if you ask for forgivness with your last breath you will be forgiven of the sin

what if I die halfway through the word?

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28 Jun 2009, 12:50 pm

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I once knew a girl who claimed to have heard God speak to her.

If there was a god, shouldn't he be sorting out wars, world hunger, etc, before worrying about proving his existence to a spoilt eight-year-old girl in a rich Western country?

Conclusion: there's either no God, or he has his priorities all wrong.

your arguement is as old as the hills

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god sees war as part of a grand sceme. Humans can not see every end that may occur if god is omipotent then god will see these and choose wich path to take.

In a nut shell war is part of a greater plan (IMO). and: he is interested in people but our lives are short and he/she thinks long term as do I. also he gave us free choice and wont inpeade our actions but will guide us if we are willing to listen and punsish us if need be.

If God isn't going to bother sorting out human problems for whatever reason, he wouldn't be sorting out the smaller problems either. If he won't stop wars, he won't help some random person get a seat on the train, etc, either.

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28 Jun 2009, 1:03 pm

scorpileo wrote:

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god sees war as part of a grand sceme. Humans can not see every end that may occur if god is omipotent then god will see these and choose wich path to take.

In a nut shell war is part of a greater plan (IMO). and: he is interested in people but our lives are short and he/she thinks long term as do I. also he gave us free choice and wont inpeade our actions but will guide us if we are willing to listen and punsish us if need be.

I will not get into questions of your use of the word 'if' or claims of knowing how God thinks, but I will question why you use statements which contradict each other. It completely confounds me as to why so many theists are not deterministic. :hmph:

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28 Jun 2009, 2:00 pm

scorpileo wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

scorpileo wrote:

I also believe in what I can see and measure.. pherhaps I see difrerently and have my own measuring system... so.. you just believe in things made from particles...

Fields, particles, perhaps strings in space and time.

Demokritos was basically right. All that there is is physical.

ruveyn

Here's a good video about consciousness, if you have about 20 minutes to spare.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjbWr3ODbAo&feature=channel[/youtube]

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28 Jun 2009, 2:56 pm

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Neurons twittering. Next question?

What God? Zeus? Jupitor? Thor? Yaweh?

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28 Jun 2009, 6:55 pm

I know Don Piper did. He talks about it in his book 90 minutes in Heaven.

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28 Jun 2009, 7:11 pm

anna-banana wrote:

scorpileo wrote:

Lexxi wrote:

anna-banana wrote:

Lexxi wrote:

I have been told that when you die, if you don't commit suicide, you see the light and have a choice whether to go back to earth or not.

what is the source of this information?

if you ask for forgivness with your last breath you will be forgiven of the sin

what if I die halfway through the word?

Brilliant

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28 Jun 2009, 7:12 pm

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I know Don Piper did. He talks about it in his book 90 minutes in Heaven.

No you do not know that Don Piper did, all you know is that he wrote about it. Him writing about it does not make it true.

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28 Jun 2009, 7:14 pm

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It completely confounds me as to why so many theists are not deterministic. :hmph:

A belief in free will provides an easy, convenient answer to the "problem of evil."

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28 Jun 2009, 8:23 pm

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I know Don Piper did. He talks about it in his book 90 minutes in Heaven.

No you do not know that Don Piper did, all you know is that he wrote about it. Him writing about it does not make it true.

I've heard him speak about it. Who are you to tell me what I think and know who do you think you are like some kind of know it all. Well your not. Only God is.

That guy died and went to heaven and he has a very credible story about that and his recovery after the accident that killed him.

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28 Jun 2009, 9:20 pm

anna-banana wrote:

scorpileo wrote:

Lexxi wrote:

anna-banana wrote:

Lexxi wrote:

I have been told that when you die, if you don't commit suicide, you see the light and have a choice whether to go back to earth or not.

what is the source of this information?

if you ask for forgivness with your last breath you will be forgiven of the sin

what if I die halfway through the word?

No forgiveness in that case, if you fail to finish the sentence at the given moment then that is it.

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what is the source of this information?

I of course, am the most reliable source for this information.

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28 Jun 2009, 10:02 pm

claire333 wrote:

scorpileo wrote:

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Well, that would be because often they would believe those not need to be contradictory, as Compatibilism deals with the issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatibil ... n_Theology

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