Thank You Jenny Mc Carthy!

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So, you want to go with a treatment that is recommended by someone who knows absolutely nothing about medicine, neuro-science, or anything related to Autism, and works actively to confuse and destroy the influence of science? You see, she also believes that vaccines cause Autism. Why not just swing a dead chicken over your head while chanting in Aramaic instead? You'll get the same results.

Jenny McCarthy is kind of like the Ann Coulter of Autism; She seems attractive and intelligent, but only to those that have been fooled by her insane nonsense, or have the same sinister agenda as her. Most importantly though, she's a stupid c**t that profits off of the false hope and ignorance of others. Like I said in my previous post, she's a bad person. Anyone who promotes this kind of pseudo-science in such a way is.

On the whole, I consider Jenny as an activist a mixed bag. She has made a few valid points, but she also speaks utter nonsense at times, and it all gets mixed up together creating this ball of mostly misinformation out there. It wouldn't matter if she wasn't so very public with such a large platform. But she is very public and with a very large platform. Which makes the missinformation and misspeaks included with the useful items dangerous.

Biene has a valid point in trying to bring up the positives here, because we do tend to be wholly negative when that might not be completely appropriate. Still, the distinctions need to be made. What is right, what is wrong, and Jenny herself needs to make them - which she won't, she's too fast and too vocal and too confident, even when it involves bad information. Which means, put it all on the scale together, and I really wish there was a different advocate/parent out there, and not her.

Like it or not, Jenny and the other parents who have tried GFCF seem to have hit on something, and that is that food sensitivities can make the symptons worse, and a GFCF for certain individuals can make the symptons less. What they haven't done is refine that, but that process is happening in the Aspergers community. If the two could actually talk to each to other, the right information might actually be found and spread.

Vaccines are not an explanation, or least not the thimerisol, but something environmental is going on, as well. Its the only thing that makes sense, and I say that as someone who 100% buys into the genetic component.

Terrified parents randomly latching onto unscientific ideas will eventually latch onto something that has a grain of truth in it, even if they don't accurately understand why. If that can be put together with science, we might find something useful. I really wish the gaps in the communities could be bridged, so that the parents like Jenny could use their platforms more precisely and accurately. They've got the platform, we don't, its the simple truth.

No thanks topic

Maybe I should address this to the NT Hotline. I will. (Not a cross posting.)

And if I had to thank JM at all I would inform her that thanks to her, the misinformation movement is alive and well.

^TROLL plus it's FATHOM not phantom

Personally I find Ann Coulter to be unapologetically "right on" in that she cites specifics and shows examples to back up her claims.
So what if you don't like her style; you are "guilty" of judging on style over substance.

As for science, what is it? What is the scientific method?
Every scientist regardless of however perfect them think themselves to be still has to control for bias. The FDA has a bias too.

My approach to carnosine is somewhat based in the scientific method. BTW, I wasn't defending everything McCarthy. I haven't even read her book. BUT, I do defend the right of people, parent or child under a parent's care, to do whatever they want to maximize their potential.

Hold on, I need to check if I've just slipped into a parallel reality where Ann Coulter is a sane, non-populistic woman of rationality and pragmatism.... No, doesn't seem like any time warps or time paradoxes have occured - She's still a crazy-ass fascist b***h.

Now, I judge her on style because she has no substance in the crap she spouts. Liberals are satanists, evolution is an unholy afront to gawd, and homosexuals are trying to take over and destroy our beloved 'murica. Oh, and throw out all the Mexicans. I don't see any actual substance, she just seems like a parody.

Now about the McCu--arthy. An absolute mininum of what she says makes sense. The stuff that might make sense, you could easily hear from people who are experts in the field like nutritionists, or to a limited extent, doctors. All of this, without the "science is trying to destroy and poison our children" spin. Listening to her because once in a while she says something that might make sense is like listening to Hitler addresing the Nazi party. An hour of falsehoods, miscontruing, lies, and incitement and suddenly, a verbal pearl emerges from the drivel - "....and what counts is that you live your life the way you want, and don't let anyone else define you... but YOU!" and you go "Wooow, I should listen to this guy more." See what I'm getting at here? I really hope you have heavy second thoughts when listening to this shell of a decent human being they call McCarthy, because her work and purpose in life seems to be to destroy human progress by appealing to irrational fears, invoking lies, and half-truths(manipulated/spun/misrepresented statistics and sources for her claims. You'd be amazed how easy it is to do this and get people to think you're talking "facts")..... Like Ann Coulter.

Since when has stating an opinion that a lot of people may disagree with been trolling? People are allowed to have their own views. They don't have to conform to the prevailing opinion of the community. Do people seriously get that upset over people who happen not to agree with them?

Another one for me to clobber! Oh, boy!

I read Ms. McCarthy's book after my sister gave it to me.

Although I respect her struggles as a parent, I am not impressed by her knee jerk reaction regarding vaccinations.

I also believe her when she says that a gluten/casein free diet helped her son, however, I am convinced that he had some digestive issues unrelated to his autism that this helped.

The thing about Ms. McCarthy is that she admitted that her "treatment" of her son was costing around $1,000 per week. This included ABA Therapy, Music Therapy, Speech Therapy, AND the gluten/casein free diet and supplements. I know that ABA Therapy (and Speech Therapy) are the only scientifically proven therapies for children with Autism. In fact, in my province, it is only ABA Therapy, Speech Therapy and Occupational Therapy that will be paid by the government funding of $20,000 per year for a child with Autism from 0 - 6 years. The costs of DAN (Defeat Autism Now) doctors and such will not be covered because there is no scientific evidence to support it. Now don't get me wrong, my provincial government makes a lot of bone-headed decisions - but I don't believe that this is one of them

I posted a comment a week or so ago on a thread about DAN doctors (which Jenny McCarthy supports and encourages parents to seek out). With my sisters nagging, I checked into DAN doctors in my area. First of all, all these DAN doctors were naturopaths, not actual physicians. Secondly, I checked out some of their web sites. They all required at least $2,000 dollars worth of tests. Non of these tests were performed at standard labs, but mostly performed in house at the naturopaths. After that, they would require several visits, use of supplements that they sell in their office and other treatments including chelation and even Reiki. Of course all of this would cost $$$. Reiki, for those who don't know, is an energy healing system where the practitioner (in this case, the naturopath) waves their hands over the patient to clear and direct chi (or ki or prana). They charge $75 per hour for this

As I like to keep an open mind (but not so open that my brains fall out), I e-mailed one of these DAN doctors. I politely advised that I would like to seek treatment for my son. I also advised that I did not have $2,000 for tests and could not afford all treatments. I stated that I was not looking for any pro bono work, but would like them to help work within my budget. I suggested around $750 worth of tests and asked that they choose the most likely and effective tests. I would then choose the most likely and effective treatments (again staying within budget). I WAS NEVER GIVEN THE COURTESY OF A RESPONSE!! This indicates to me that they are only interested in taking money from desperate parents who are pulling at straws and are willing to mortgage their homes to have a quack peddle their junk science and useless treatments.

If Ms. McCarthy wants to spend her money this way - she is more than welcome to. For those parents who have limited budgets and want therapies and treatments for their children that will enhance their social skills, ability to learn and ability to be a part of the community - there are other scientific based therapies that actually work. It is these therapies that deserve the attention - not the junk science of vaccinations causing autism and ridiculous DAN doctors.

Again, kudo's to Jenny McCarthy has a parent with struggles. However, I cannot commend her on her giving publicity to false information and making it easier for quacks to profit.

Sarcasm alert. Because of Jenny McCarthy I KNOW I will cure my autistic child. I am picturing a child growing up into a neurotypical adult. I am prepared to accept and love that cured child and will funnel all my energy and resources into following The Path of the Cure. I have no room in my life to consider accepting the child I have now because that's not really my child. Mine was stolen by autism and I will fight to get her back.

Jeeeeeezus Christ. Not this s**t again.

Ok, here is the deal; Jenny McCarthy is NOT a doctor, professor, or in any way an expert in the field of Autism. She is an actor. I know this for a fact because she plays the role of Special Agent Tanya in the cinema scenes for Command and Conquer: Red Alert 3 - a game that I have refused to even contemplate playing ever since I found out she was in it. She is also a parent of a child with autism. Having a child with autism does not make one an expert in the field. If anything, it makes the parent less of an expert becuase now they have to deal with it in a literal and not a hypothetical sense. In short, Jenny McCarthy is an actor, celebrity, and parent; however she is NOT anything close to an expert. She has no scientific background.

Yet thousands of parents with autistic children swear by her. Why is that?

The answer is simple: THEY ARE SHEEPLE.

Absolutely none of Jenny McCarthy's theories on the cause, treatment, or cure of autism are grounded in science. They are pretty much BS that she has come up with in her desperate attempts to "fix" her own child. She is using her son both as a poster boy and a guinea pig, trying things such as not giving him his shots and putting him on weird diets, etc., none of which makes any scientific sense. The fact that she is a parent of a child with autism, coupled with her being a famous glittery celebrity, makes her somewhat of a role model for uninformed parents. However, she is NOT an expert, and as such should not be credited as one.

That is my opinion. Feel free to debate it if you wish. However, trolling is not tolerated, and after reviewing the OP's post it is extremely inflammatory. Biene, the right to express your opinion here on WP is conditional to the responsibility of doing so in a respectful manner. I believe that publicly expressing a wish that everyone here have thimerasol slipped into their children's vaccines, along with your statement about us having nothing else to do but bash McCarthy from the anonymity of the net, is considered insulting. I have no issue with you showing support for McCarthy, even though it goes against my beliefs; however, you will do so in a respectful manner or not at all. Please keep this in mind.

As for everyone else, given the majority of us do not like McCarthy, but if we are going to express our negative opinion of her it will be done with reasoned, logical debate, and not this name calling BS. No one will believe a person if their only form of debate is bashing the other party.

Thank you, and let's keep things civil.

Roxas

Typical dismissive response that ignores any facts, scenarios and figures brought up in any of her books. Do me a favor and actually read something from print instead of learning your talking points from the Web or from talking heads.


I'll be back with a longer exposition along with some facts and sources that she uses to state her cases. Her TV appearances are not what I am going by. BTW - look up fascism closer to what is happening now with our current monopoly government. Personal freedom limiting, big government support from cradle to grave is exactly what Coulter is fighting against. Godless explains this well. She actually states that the book is not about being without her god but about the new "Godless" religion that progressives have created with "multiculturalism" and "secular humanism". The supreme courts in a case from 1961 did have to define "secular humanism" as a belief system and religion. Progressive democrats are actually much more fascists in their demands for political correctness and "humanism" than any Bush voter ever was. This administration and all the drones that back it is shoving political "big government fixes everything" correctness beliefs down our throats. This freedom robbing administration is much more fascist than we have ever seen. Period


BTW I have been voting libertarian for the past 4 years since throwing in my last vote for a Democrat (Statists Conform!).

Anyone who believes Ann Coulter isn't a liar, just do a search on "Ann Coulter" and lies. I'm not going to paste her lies here because that kind of debate isn't worth the trouble. She's a liar and most people know it.

As for Jenny and her McCarthism, she's a liar, too, stating autism can be cured. Occasionally people have snapped out of what looked like autism with or without therapy and there are no good explanations about why it happens but you can bet there are people who loudly claim credit for it.

"Googling" something seldom provides validity. We need peer reviewed print.
Two can play it that game:

Keith Olbermann lies:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ei=A ... es&spell=1


Nancy Pelosi lies:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Na ... oq=&aqi=g5


The extremes are playing to audiences and it must be said that if you will not consider listening to the other side you will not give them a chance.

I find Cato.org and the Lew Rockwell sites to be very well written and about as objective as possible while maintaining their economic philosophies.