22 Sep 2009, 9:14 am
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22 Sep 2009, 1:55 pm
Silvervarg wrote:
Vana wrote:
There is no issue of fear with heroics as the hero knows what [s]he is doing and knows it is right. A hero does not feel fear, does not act in the face of fear; the hero breathes easy, the hands are steady, the heart-rate is not elevated.
In that case either he/she has a severe brain damage, or he/she is never in any dangerous situations. First one possibly a hero, second one, hardly one.
One sort of heroism is learned: being a hero is a matter of "reality testing". What happens is, the cowards say such and such is 'dangerous and impossible'. Then the hero comes along and does it (maybe by accident, or maybe [s]he didn't hear that it was 'impossible'). The cowards are amazed, but actually it was simple and hardly dangerous at all. Taking a hint from this experience, the hero goes on to do other 'dangerous and impossible things'. After doing so many of these 'dangerous and impossible' things, the hero gets a clue and realizes that what cowards call 'dangerous and impossible' is not really dangerous and impossible. That's one kind of heroism.
The other sort is a bit different, it comes with conviction and certainty in rightness of cause and action. It is a realization that something or someone, a moral right, an aesthetic event, or an accomplishment is more valuable than life. Becasue the hero is focused only on success, and failure does not ever even come to mind, there is no feeling of fear.
I'm teaching you from experience.
http://www.kls2.com/airlines/africa.html
Simple hero test: If you set out right now to climb Mt. Everest, could you do it?
[If your answer is anything but, "Yes I can", then you are a coward and a slave.]
22 Sep 2009, 2:04 pm
22 Sep 2009, 2:16 pm
Vana wrote:
Silvervarg wrote:
Vana wrote:
There is no issue of fear with heroics as the hero knows what [s]he is doing and knows it is right. A hero does not feel fear, does not act in the face of fear; the hero breathes easy, the hands are steady, the heart-rate is not elevated.
In that case either he/she has a severe brain damage, or he/she is never in any dangerous situations. First one possibly a hero, second one, hardly one.
One sort of heroism is learned: being a hero is a matter of "reality testing". What happens is, the cowards say such and such is 'dangerous and impossible'. Then the hero comes along and does it (maybe by accident, or maybe [s]he didn't hear that it was 'impossible'). The cowards are amazed, but actually it was simple and hardly dangerous at all. Taking a hint from this experience, the hero goes on to do other 'dangerous and impossible things'. After doing so many of these 'dangerous and impossible' things, the hero gets a clue and realizes that what cowards call 'dangerous and impossible' is not really dangerous and impossible. That's one kind of heroism.
The other sort is a bit different, it comes with conviction and certainty in rightness of cause and action. It is a realization that something or someone, a moral right, an aesthetic event, or an accomplishment is more valuable than life. Becasue the hero is focused only on success, and failure does not ever even come to mind, there is no feeling of fear.
I'm teaching you from experience.
http://www.kls2.com/airlines/africa.html
Simple hero test: If you set out right now to climb Mt. Everest, could you do it?
[If your answer is anything but, "Yes I can", then you are a coward and a slave.]
Absolute conviction that one is right can lead to doing remarkable things like the many suicide bombers who kill so many innocents and like those kids in the USA who shoot their fellow student randomly. In all probability any professional bankrobber group is convinced of their correct actions as long as they get away with it. The religious fanatics who beat up women in the middle east are no doubt convinced their actions are totally right.
22 Sep 2009, 2:29 pm
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22 Sep 2009, 4:17 pm
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23 Sep 2009, 2:04 am
Vana wrote:
Simple hero test: If you set out right now to climb Mt. Everest, could you do it?
[If your answer is anything but, "Yes I can", then you are a coward and a slave.]
[If your answer is anything but, "Yes I can", then you are a coward and a slave.]
I'd call it a stupidety test. Sure I could say yes, you'll never meet me and I'd never have to live up to it anyway. But no, I couldn't, because I'm not delusional, I know that my body couldn't handle it, not to mention I don't have the equipment or training to do so successfully. (I rarely sit infront of my computor dressed for advanced mountainclimbing.)
But, it's always easy to talk, right...?
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One sort of heroism is learned: being a hero is a matter of "reality testing". What happens is, the cowards say such and such is 'dangerous and impossible'. Then the hero comes along and does it (maybe by accident, or maybe [s]he didn't hear that it was 'impossible'). The cowards are amazed, but actually it was simple and hardly dangerous at all. Taking a hint from this experience, the hero goes on to do other 'dangerous and impossible things'. After doing so many of these 'dangerous and impossible' things, the hero gets a clue and realizes that what cowards call 'dangerous and impossible' is not really dangerous and impossible. That's one kind of heroism.
s**t... I'm a hero... I have moved several heavy objects deemed "impossible" to move, and it was dangerous too, I could have ended up crippled or dead if I did it wrong. Wait a sec... If you can become a hero by merely impressing others, I don't really see what's all to it.
23 Sep 2009, 5:56 am
