10 Oct 2009, 11:31 am
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10 Oct 2009, 3:35 pm
10 Oct 2009, 3:50 pm
Orwell wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Guess we're ruled by irrationality.
I'd say insanity but, as you should know, sanity is a condition that is subjective and defined by consensus.
I'd say insanity but, as you should know, sanity is a condition that is subjective and defined by consensus.
Is rationality objective? Is it ruled by consensus? If not, then what is it ruled by and how do we make (and agree upon) a determination of rationality or irrationality?
What an insane line of questioning.
11 Oct 2009, 12:48 am
11 Oct 2009, 12:49 am
skafather84 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Guess we're ruled by irrationality.
I'd say insanity but, as you should know, sanity is a condition that is subjective and defined by consensus.
I'd say insanity but, as you should know, sanity is a condition that is subjective and defined by consensus.
Is rationality objective? Is it ruled by consensus? If not, then what is it ruled by and how do we make (and agree upon) a determination of rationality or irrationality?
What an insane line of questioning.
Indeed it is. But it is interesting nonetheless, and you provoked it.
Come on Ska, sanity is boring. Let's go crazy and figure out what you meant by "rationality."
11 Oct 2009, 5:31 am
11 Oct 2009, 5:47 am
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11 Oct 2009, 9:59 am
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12 Oct 2009, 4:31 am
12 Oct 2009, 12:26 pm
Orwell wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Orwell wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Guess we're ruled by irrationality.
I'd say insanity but, as you should know, sanity is a condition that is subjective and defined by consensus.
I'd say insanity but, as you should know, sanity is a condition that is subjective and defined by consensus.
Is rationality objective? Is it ruled by consensus? If not, then what is it ruled by and how do we make (and agree upon) a determination of rationality or irrationality?
What an insane line of questioning.
Indeed it is. But it is interesting nonetheless, and you provoked it.
Come on Ska, sanity is boring. Let's go crazy and figure out what you meant by "rationality."
Sanity doesn't exist. Conformity is boring.
By rationality, there should be a point of measuring pro's and con's. Gather up informtion, try to make the best guess, then from there see how things develop and adjust accordingly. We haven't done that. We haven't changed anything in any significant way since determining it was broken. We haven't learned from history rather less from our own immediate faults with Afghanistan and Iraq.
There is some objectivity in rationality. Not much and it can easily be obfuscated into obscurity, but there is some objectivity.
12 Oct 2009, 12:27 pm
Orwell wrote:
No rational person could lend any credence to Beck.
What is rational?
12 Oct 2009, 1:36 pm
12 Oct 2009, 1:51 pm
xenon13 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
Trafficant spent seven years in prison. Scooter Libby, who is known to be an Israeli agent, was convicted of a worse crime and didn't spend a day in the hoosegaw. It is interesting to me that they are unusually severe with this Trafficant... Let's not forget Larry Franklin who also spent very little time in prison. What about his boss, known Israeli spy Douglas Feith, who was not even touched at all, just as he was not touched when the FBI caught him spying for Israel during the Nixon years as described in Seymour Hersh's Nixon book.
Agents of Israel do very little for the people of Israel.
I say, I agree with that. These clowns like Libby were going on in 2000 about how Israelis had gone so soft and they needed some suicide bombings to restore them to glory... true. Israelis were soft and just cared about shopping and material things and so forth... same with Americans, too soft, they said, they needed to be steeled by, let's say, a "catastrophic and catalysing event", perhaps.
Every couple generations needs their own New Pearl Harbor. It's almost like the tree of liberty being replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Except the tyrants stay in charge, of course.
21 Oct 2009, 4:55 am
skafather84 wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
xenon13 wrote:
Trafficant spent seven years in prison. Scooter Libby, who is known to be an Israeli agent, was convicted of a worse crime and didn't spend a day in the hoosegaw. It is interesting to me that they are unusually severe with this Trafficant... Let's not forget Larry Franklin who also spent very little time in prison. What about his boss, known Israeli spy Douglas Feith, who was not even touched at all, just as he was not touched when the FBI caught him spying for Israel during the Nixon years as described in Seymour Hersh's Nixon book.
Agents of Israel do very little for the people of Israel.
I say, I agree with that. These clowns like Libby were going on in 2000 about how Israelis had gone so soft and they needed some suicide bombings to restore them to glory... true. Israelis were soft and just cared about shopping and material things and so forth... same with Americans, too soft, they said, they needed to be steeled by, let's say, a "catastrophic and catalysing event", perhaps.
Every couple generations needs their own New Pearl Harbor. It's almost like the tree of liberty being replenished with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Except the tyrants stay in charge, of course.
I beliveve this is mostly American exclusive. Reichstag fire, 7/7 bombings nonwithstanding, in the US it's recurring.
