How to end wars and create peace on the planet

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28 Jan 2010, 5:44 am

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Well, since I know there is a generally heavy anti-gun sentiment on Wrong Planet, how about this:

"No military is allowed to have weapons, nor police, nor law abiding citizens."


1) Define "Weapons"... almost any item from shoes to socks to a pencil can be used as a weapon
2) Have you not seen the damage that can be inflicted on the human body using only prats of the human body?
3) What about the non-law abiding citizens? When they find/create weapons, who will be able to stop them? It isnt that hard to recreate a functioning weapon of some sort....


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28 Jan 2010, 6:44 am

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If you could install one rule that could help to end wars and create peace, what would that rule be?


i would rule that the official definition of "war" and "peace" should be transposed.



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28 Jan 2010, 7:41 am

Eliminate all boundaries - both real and imagined. People created boundaries for identification and protection - but this in turn created the fear of the 'other' - other tribes, other races, other species, other classes, other sexes, other ages. Whilst wars have many causes, the fear of the other has predominant in almost every war in human history. If there is no 'them' then there is only 'us'.

Also - if humans could fly like birds - they'd very likely give up trivial things like war.



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28 Jan 2010, 8:30 am

mjs82 wrote:
Eliminate all boundaries - both real and imagined. People created boundaries for identification and protection - but this in turn created the fear of the 'other' - other tribes, other races, other species, other classes, other sexes, other ages. Whilst wars have many causes, the fear of the other has predominant in almost every war in human history. If there is no 'them' then there is only 'us'.

Also - if humans could fly like birds - they'd very likely give up trivial things like war.


Or carry small bombs.



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28 Jan 2010, 1:33 pm

:lol:



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28 Jan 2010, 1:39 pm

How about, be fruitful, multiply, and fill the Earth? If the Earth ever does get full, then move elsewhere. Spread out. Less proximity to other humans decreases their supply and increases the value of communication and companionship. Excess in supply decreases the value of human companionship and humans in general per each individual who is constantly surrounded. As per moving elsewhere, I suggest space exploration and colonization of uninhabited worlds, such as Mars and the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.



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28 Jan 2010, 5:41 pm

For each "wise" rule, there is a "fool" able to disprove it.

In human history, peace and tranquility were attained more often as a stalemate, or an exhaustion state, between wars. Nuclear stalemate is an example of this. I think the best answer is not in rules to obey, but persuasive arguments reminding us of the consequences of conflict and the benefits of peaceful alternatives.

Humans are fundamentally a kin- / clan-driven species, therefore conflict in some form is difficult to avoid.



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28 Jan 2010, 7:33 pm

Every person has the right to control their own selves and their own possessions.

This is a rather anarchic idea. In theory, if everyone had a right to control themselves then it would violate this right to try and control someone else. No government, no war. And as long as people could handle this ONE rule, there would be no murder, rape, mind control, or theft. Plus nothing else that could violate this rule. We would of course still need police officers to enforce it and a court to make sure the police don't abuse their power, but otherwise, that is all we would need.


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28 Jan 2010, 8:03 pm

fidelis wrote:
Every person has the right to control their own selves and their own possessions.

This is a rather anarchic idea. In theory, if everyone had a right to control themselves then it would violate this right to try and control someone else. No government, no war. And as long as people could handle this ONE rule, there would be no murder, rape, mind control, or theft. Plus nothing else that could violate this rule. We would of course still need police officers to enforce it and a court to make sure the police don't abuse their power, but otherwise, that is all we would need.


We still need police until we evolve to a point where we can treat others the way we want to be treated. Until then, it couldn't hurt to try to control ourselves to the best of our ability. I think this is the simple solution to creating peace on the planet. Know that every choice you make is the most important thing you can do to instill change for the better. To create peace on the planet, it starts with every thought and is followed by appropriate action, no matter how small. Harm none. I take back the treat people the way you would want to be treated to "Harm None". Except if you are a mosquito or a germ that is. :lol:


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28 Jan 2010, 8:04 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
How about, be fruitful, multiply, and fill the Earth? If the Earth ever does get full, then move elsewhere. Spread out. Less proximity to other humans decreases their supply and increases the value of communication and companionship. Excess in supply decreases the value of human companionship and humans in general per each individual who is constantly surrounded. As per moving elsewhere, I suggest space exploration and colonization of uninhabited worlds, such as Mars and the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.


Since the colonization of the Sahara Desert or Antarctica is a good deal easier and friendlier than a move to another planet and mankind has not even attempted to make these places really inhabitable the casual concept of interplanetary colonization is, at our level of technology, totally impractical. It's comic book stuff. The world already has too may people and the solution is to have less people, although that does not seem very appetizing to the world at the moment.



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28 Jan 2010, 8:21 pm

fidelis wrote:
Every person has the right to control their own selves and their own possessions.

This is a rather anarchic idea. In theory, if everyone had a right to control themselves then it would violate this right to try and control someone else. No government, no war. And as long as people could handle this ONE rule, there would be no murder, rape, mind control, or theft. Plus nothing else that could violate this rule. We would of course still need police officers to enforce it and a court to make sure the police don't abuse their power, but otherwise, that is all we would need.


For as long as I can forsee, there will always be people who believe that what's yours should be theirs. The history of mankind has been dominated by the perception that Might dictates Right. That the powerful should control the law and bend it to their own favour. This gave way to chilvary - that by committing such acts of nobility one could justify their power over others. Finally we had equal justice - that people shall be judged equally by their fellow citizens - thus the invention of the judicial system. Despite all this, might is right continues unabated. The only moral justification in going to war is to protect those who cannot protect themselves.



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28 Jan 2010, 8:26 pm

mjs82 wrote:
fidelis wrote:
Every person has the right to control their own selves and their own possessions.

This is a rather anarchic idea. In theory, if everyone had a right to control themselves then it would violate this right to try and control someone else. No government, no war. And as long as people could handle this ONE rule, there would be no murder, rape, mind control, or theft. Plus nothing else that could violate this rule. We would of course still need police officers to enforce it and a court to make sure the police don't abuse their power, but otherwise, that is all we would need.


For as long as I can forsee, there will always be people who believe that what's yours should be theirs. The history of mankind has been dominated by the perception that Might dictates Right. That the powerful should control the law and bend it to their own favour. This gave way to chilvary - that by committing such acts of nobility one could justify their power over others. Finally we had equal justice - that people shall be judged equally by their fellow citizens - thus the invention of the judicial system. Despite all this, might is right continues unabated. The only moral justification in going to war is to protect those who cannot protect themselves.


Right you are mjs82, now instill one law that could abolish suffering. Can you do it? No. The reason why no one can instill such a law is because people won't realize that they have the power to control themselves. Free will debaters, debate!


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28 Jan 2010, 8:31 pm

I have always found the golden rule to be an amusing paradox. If everyone assumed that everyone followed the golden rule, then masochists would be sadists and any one who insulted someone, by the golden rule would be insulted right back.
1) You get called a jerk.
2) You infer from the golden rule that the person calling you a jerk wants to be called a jerk.
3) you realize that you want to be treated the way you want to be treated so you have to treat others the way they want to be treated.
4) Now the golden rule tells you to call the person a jerk and not call them jerk at the same time.
5) You then realize that if you tell anyone this the world will collapse and war will start again.

I used this as an excuse to a lot my insults when I was about seven. It was after I found out that even though it was a completely logical argument no one really cared, that I stopped saying it. I still point it out to people because I think they would find it amusing.
Although there is paradox in this statement, I get the point. If you don't wan't people being jerks to you, then don't be jerks to them. They will just be jerks right back.


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28 Jan 2010, 8:46 pm

Magnus wrote:
If you could install one rule that could help to end wars and create peace, what would that rule be? Do you follow that rule?

My rule:

Treat others the way you would want to be treated.

Do I follow it? Most of the time I do, but not always. How can I abide by this rule more?


Better rule: Don't treat others the way you would not want to be treated.

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28 Jan 2010, 8:49 pm

Magnus wrote:
mjs82 wrote:
fidelis wrote:
Every person has the right to control their own selves and their own possessions.

This is a rather anarchic idea. In theory, if everyone had a right to control themselves then it would violate this right to try and control someone else. No government, no war. And as long as people could handle this ONE rule, there would be no murder, rape, mind control, or theft. Plus nothing else that could violate this rule. We would of course still need police officers to enforce it and a court to make sure the police don't abuse their power, but otherwise, that is all we would need.


For as long as I can forsee, there will always be people who believe that what's yours should be theirs. The history of mankind has been dominated by the perception that Might dictates Right. That the powerful should control the law and bend it to their own favour. This gave way to chilvary - that by committing such acts of nobility one could justify their power over others. Finally we had equal justice - that people shall be judged equally by their fellow citizens - thus the invention of the judicial system. Despite all this, might is right continues unabated. The only moral justification in going to war is to protect those who cannot protect themselves.


Right you are mjs82, now instill one law that could abolish suffering. Can you do it? No. The reason why no one can instill such a law is because people won't realize that they have the power to control themselves. Free will debaters, debate!


I don't consider the judicial system to be perfect - it's just that it's the last system to be developed. Any human who believes they have a perfect system will be disappointed because humans will always be imperfect. But that's not to say that we shouldn't strive to better ourselves. But when you speak of self control - I think even the worst tyrants in history were aware of their own ability to self control and respect to others - they just chose not to value it.

But if I had to install one law that could abolish all suffering it would be to painlessly anaesthetise the entire human population and kill them in their sleep.

Not that I would mind you, as I wouldn't force that on others and it's something from a Roger Moore era James Bond film.



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28 Jan 2010, 8:49 pm

fidelis wrote:
I have always found the golden rule to be an amusing paradox. If everyone assumed that everyone followed the golden rule, then masochists would be sadists and any one who insulted someone, by the golden rule would be insulted right back.
1) You get called a jerk.
2) You infer from the golden rule that the person calling you a jerk wants to be called a jerk.
3) you realize that you want to be treated the way you want to be treated so you have to treat others the way they want to be treated.
4) Now the golden rule tells you to call the person a jerk and not call them jerk at the same time.
5) You then realize that if you tell anyone this the world will collapse and war will start again.

I used this as an excuse to a lot my insults when I was about seven. It was after I found out that even though it was a completely logical argument no one really cared, that I stopped saying it. I still point it out to people because I think they would find it amusing.
Although there is paradox in this statement, I get the point. If you don't wan't people being jerks to you, then don't be jerks to them. They will just be jerks right back.


When you were seven, you were perfect. 8)


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