Freemason, Islam, Knights Templer, etc. Conspiracy.

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skysaw
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06 May 2010, 5:50 am

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I think it was inevitable that the outrage of 9/11/2001 would be seen by some as another "Reichstag Fire".


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Conspiracy theories are strange. They are the only theories I know of where evidence against a conspiracy is considered evidence for the conspiracy.



Do you think the Nazis were responsible for the Reichstag fire?



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06 May 2010, 10:17 am

skysaw wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

I think it was inevitable that the outrage of 9/11/2001 would be seen by some as another "Reichstag Fire".


ruveyn wrote:
Conspiracy theories are strange. They are the only theories I know of where evidence against a conspiracy is considered evidence for the conspiracy.



Do you think the Nazis were responsible for the Reichstag fire?


Positively. First the Nazis set the fire, then they blame the Jews and they even frame a "fall guy".

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06 May 2010, 3:16 pm

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All conspiracy theories founder on a single shoal: If a group of six friends can't agree on what to have for lunch, how are we to expect a large group of power-hungry control freaks to stick together on anything for any considerable amount of time?


No two conspiracy theorists agree with each other. Of course, they agree on events such as 9/11 and such, however, that's the limit to where the similarity lies. They all have their various different theories, such as Illuminati, Freemasonry, Bilderbergs, Opus Dei, Jewish bankers, Grey Aliens, Reptillian Aliens, Jews in general, Neo-Nazis, Satan, Lucifer, Anti-Christ, etc. In other words, while they all agree that there is the conspiracy, they disagree on who is behind the conspiracy. They are also divided into different groups, such as right-wingers, Islamists, left-wingers, etc.

This video, a parody, suggests how the mind of a conspiracy theorist works -

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcVpvrVOH7g[/youtube]

I don't mean to deny that conspiracies exist, as we have learnt from historical events such as the Gleiwitz incident - I just find these conspiracy theories to be outright ridiculous.

http://www.conspiracyscience.com/



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06 May 2010, 4:42 pm

ruveyn wrote:
skysaw wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

I think it was inevitable that the outrage of 9/11/2001 would be seen by some as another "Reichstag Fire".


ruveyn wrote:
Conspiracy theories are strange. They are the only theories I know of where evidence against a conspiracy is considered evidence for the conspiracy.



Do you think the Nazis were responsible for the Reichstag fire?


Positively. First the Nazis set the fire, then they blame the Jews and they even frame a "fall guy".

ruveyn


The main guy the Nazis charged with starting the fire was a Dutch Communist, Marinus van der Lubbe. They also charged four other communists.

According to wikipedia:

"As Ian Kershaw says nearly all historians today agree that Van der Lubbe set the Reichstag fire.[9] There has been considerable popular debate over whether he acted alone. Considering the speed with which the fire engulfed the building, Van der Lubbe's reputation as a mentally disturbed arsonist hungry for fame, and cryptic comments by leading Nazi officials, it was generally believed at the time that the Nazi hierarchy was involved for political gain. Most historians today state that Van der Lubbe acted alone, and the Reichstag fire was merely a stroke of good luck for the Nazis." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire )

I am not saying I trust everything I read on wikipedia or eveything historians say, or that I have strong opinions about this incident one way or the other (and just to reiterate, I am not a 9/11 truther either), but if most historians think van der Lubbe acted alone, and you do not, does that not make you ... a conspiracy theorist?



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07 May 2010, 5:44 am

ruveyn wrote:
skysaw wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

I think it was inevitable that the outrage of 9/11/2001 would be seen by some as another "Reichstag Fire".


ruveyn wrote:
Conspiracy theories are strange. They are the only theories I know of where evidence against a conspiracy is considered evidence for the conspiracy.



Do you think the Nazis were responsible for the Reichstag fire?


Positively. First the Nazis set the fire, then they blame the Jews and they even frame a "fall guy".

ruveyn


But what if the Jews planned it for the Nazi's to do it and blame the Jews in order for them to act immorally to cause their downfall?
lol conspiracythink



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07 May 2010, 8:07 am

Asmodeus wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
skysaw wrote:
ruveyn wrote:

I think it was inevitable that the outrage of 9/11/2001 would be seen by some as another "Reichstag Fire".


ruveyn wrote:
Conspiracy theories are strange. They are the only theories I know of where evidence against a conspiracy is considered evidence for the conspiracy.



Do you think the Nazis were responsible for the Reichstag fire?


Positively. First the Nazis set the fire, then they blame the Jews and they even frame a "fall guy".

ruveyn


But what if the Jews planned it for the Nazi's to do it and blame the Jews in order for them to act immorally to cause their downfall?
lol conspiracythink


And what if the Nazis tricked the Jews into planning for the Nazis to do it?

Here is my theory on "what if". What if my grandmother had testicle? Would she be my grandfather?

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13 May 2010, 6:06 pm

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To me it just looks like a mentally ill person with arithmetic skills.

Actually he could be an aspie. I have seen members of this forum that have a similar obsession with numbers. :?

The author seems to have a lot of obsessions, one of them is the Freemasons. He never drew a solid connection between them and the Knights Templer yet seems to be convinced that there is one. The idea of al-Qaeda being a continuation to the original assassins is also very shaky: the assassins were known for killing specific people not large numbers of random people.

The linked article, however, is not really a conspiracy theory. It is just one man rambling about his obsessions and posting them on the internet.


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27 May 2010, 4:21 pm

The Bildeberg Group EXISTS. it's a fact.