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Is the existence of microorganisms compatible with Creationism?
Yes, God intelligently designed each bacteria 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
No, Creationism doesn't make sense 29%  29%  [ 7 ]
Yes, have you heard the word 'nanotechnology'? 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
No, Evolution explains microorganisms 33%  33%  [ 8 ]
Yes, the Bible is the only infallible thing and God is beyond logic 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
I have no idea 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Bacteria don't exist, all sickness are spiritual caused 8%  8%  [ 2 ]
Other, explain.... 4%  4%  [ 1 ]
View results 13%  13%  [ 3 ]
Total votes : 24

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12 Jul 2010, 4:20 am

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NO he is correct, materialism is WRONG, nothing can be explained or understood by science, which is why homeopathy is the medicine of the Lord, after all what is homeopathy but sanctified water. I am with AG; WP's own STRIDENT anti-materialist


Nothing can be explained or understood including the computer and the electronic communication network or which to type nonsense. Materialism, in particular naturalistic understanding of the physical world is why the human population is over six billion.

Physical science is the most successful undertaking of the human race.

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Ruveyn, I think you must be suffering from an acute case of aspieness, we are both joking :lol:


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13 Jul 2010, 9:47 pm

Hm...

I don't see an option that I think fits what I believe--that is, unless the OP wants to say where they think this fits.

I believe that everything around us was created by God. And I believe that real science (NOT young-Earth creationism or anything else that warps the facts) allows us to see how God did it. The Bible is not a scientific treatise; it does not show HOW God did His work, and I would not expect it to...its purpose is--well, an explanation of purpose and meaning.

Why microorganisms should be incompatible with belief, I do not see it.


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14 Jul 2010, 12:29 am

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Hm...

I don't see an option that I think fits what I believe--that is, unless the OP wants to say where they think this fits.

I believe that everything around us was created by God. And I believe that real science (NOT young-Earth creationism or anything else that warps the facts) allows us to see how God did it. The Bible is not a scientific treatise; it does not show HOW God did His work, and I would not expect it to...its purpose is--well, an explanation of purpose and meaning.

Why microorganisms should be incompatible with belief, I do not see it.


While your view point is not exactly the same, it is relatively compatible to how Orwell sees the universe. As far as I know. He'll correct me if I am wrong.


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14 Jul 2010, 12:48 am

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I think god would be wasting his time making microorganisms like bacteria, what use would they be in the garden of eden? Which is why I say they are a result of evolution.


E. coli is symbiotic and would have aided in digestion of food even then.



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14 Jul 2010, 12:53 am

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I think that for the most part microbes have been given a bum rap by the news media. People seem to associate most microbes such as bacteria to death, disease and suffering. But the vast majority of microbes are essential to sustaining both mankind and nature and only about 5–10% of all bacteria are pathogenic.

And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.


Precisely.



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14 Jul 2010, 3:39 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JetLag wrote:
I think that for the most part microbes have been given a bum rap by the news media. People seem to associate most microbes such as bacteria to death, disease and suffering. But the vast majority of microbes are essential to sustaining both mankind and nature and only about 5–10% of all bacteria are pathogenic.

And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.


Precisely.


God created all things Dull and Ugly.

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14 Jul 2010, 4:05 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JetLag wrote:
I think that for the most part microbes have been given a bum rap by the news media. People seem to associate most microbes such as bacteria to death, disease and suffering. But the vast majority of microbes are essential to sustaining both mankind and nature and only about 5–10% of all bacteria are pathogenic.

And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.


Precisely.


God created all things Dull and Ugly.

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So, you're about how many millennia old?



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14 Jul 2010, 6:25 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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I think that for the most part microbes have been given a bum rap by the news media. People seem to associate most microbes such as bacteria to death, disease and suffering. But the vast majority of microbes are essential to sustaining both mankind and nature and only about 5–10% of all bacteria are pathogenic.

And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.


Precisely.


Since God created man in his image, it's obvious God is full of microbes too. Perhaps the Holy Ghost can get by without them.



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14 Jul 2010, 1:36 pm

Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JetLag wrote:
I think that for the most part microbes have been given a bum rap by the news media. People seem to associate most microbes such as bacteria to death, disease and suffering. But the vast majority of microbes are essential to sustaining both mankind and nature and only about 5–10% of all bacteria are pathogenic.

And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.


Precisely.


Since God created man in his image, it's obvious God is full of microbes too. Perhaps the Holy Ghost can get by without them.


Christ while on earth was in human flesh and in that case His corporeal body would have had microbes. That's the only certain case in point.



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14 Jul 2010, 2:16 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JetLag wrote:
I think that for the most part microbes have been given a bum rap by the news media. People seem to associate most microbes such as bacteria to death, disease and suffering. But the vast majority of microbes are essential to sustaining both mankind and nature and only about 5–10% of all bacteria are pathogenic.

And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.


Precisely.

Evidence Please? I mean, I can surely say that there is no empirical evidence in actual science to suggest that that was the case, as the issue regarding parasites and the behaviour and adaptation as well as the existence of microorganisms seem to be better explained a whole better by evolution than by anything else, such as creation myths and creationism, and JetLag's explanation is ad hoc.


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14 Jul 2010, 2:16 pm

JetLag wrote:
And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.

Influenza is caused by a virus, not a bacterium. Now, many laypeople do not realize the extent of the difference between the two, but to make things perfectly clear: humans are much more similar to a single-celled bacterium than any bacterium is to a virus. The existence of viruses seems to pose a problem with the "fall" account for pathogenic microbes, given that they do not appear to be alterations on any known form of benign life. You cannot change E. coli and end up with rotavirus.


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14 Jul 2010, 2:19 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
JetLag wrote:
I think that for the most part microbes have been given a bum rap by the news media. People seem to associate most microbes such as bacteria to death, disease and suffering. But the vast majority of microbes are essential to sustaining both mankind and nature and only about 5–10% of all bacteria are pathogenic.

And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.


Precisely.

Evidence Please? I mean, I can surely say that there is no empirical evidence in actual science to suggest that that was the case, as the issue regarding parasites and the behaviour and adaptation as well as the existence of microorganisms seem to be better explained a whole better by evolution than by anything else, such as creation myths and creationism, and JetLag's explanation is ad hoc.


Evidence that most microorganisms are symbiotic or mutualistic? ...



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Hm...

I don't see an option that I think fits what I believe--that is, unless the OP wants to say where they think this fits.

I believe that everything around us was created by God. And I believe that real science (NOT young-Earth creationism or anything else that warps the facts) allows us to see how God did it. The Bible is not a scientific treatise; it does not show HOW God did His work, and I would not expect it to...its purpose is--well, an explanation of purpose and meaning.

Why microorganisms should be incompatible with belief, I do not see it.


While your view point is not exactly the same, it is relatively compatible to how Orwell sees the universe. As far as I know. He'll correct me if I am wrong.

That is correct.

SoSayWeAll, "creationism" is typically used as shorthand for "young-Earth Creationism" because the more reasonable form of "creationism" that I (and apparently you) ascribe to is not in conflict with science and thus does not typically need to be labeled as creationism.


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14 Jul 2010, 2:25 pm

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And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.

Influenza is caused by a virus, not a bacterium. Now, many laypeople do not realize the extent of the difference between the two, but to make things perfectly clear: humans are much more similar to a single-celled bacterium than any bacterium is to a virus. The existence of viruses seems to pose a problem with the "fall" account for pathogenic microbes, given that they do not appear to be alterations on any known form of benign life. You cannot change E. coli and end up with rotavirus.


http://creation.com/did-god-make-pathogenic-viruses



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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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JetLag wrote:
And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.

Influenza is caused by a virus, not a bacterium. Now, many laypeople do not realize the extent of the difference between the two, but to make things perfectly clear: humans are much more similar to a single-celled bacterium than any bacterium is to a virus. The existence of viruses seems to pose a problem with the "fall" account for pathogenic microbes, given that they do not appear to be alterations on any known form of benign life. You cannot change E. coli and end up with rotavirus.


http://creation.com/did-god-make-pathogenic-viruses

That article is so fatally flawed in so many ways that I don't even know what to say about it. He equivocates in many places as to whether he is referring to viruses or bacteria, making his writing (perhaps deliberately) extremely unclear. In other places he seems incredibly dishonest, and there is a lot in that article that's just completely irrelevant. A brief survey of the author's credentials and publications reveals him to be a hack.


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14 Jul 2010, 3:51 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
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And since the vast majority of microbes are essential to life, I find it quite reasonable to believe that God may initially have created microbes as a beneficial component to life during creation week. And I believe that the pathogenic microbes, which are typically called germs, and which cause such things as influenza, malaria, botulism, etc., are on planet earth because of the fall of mankind and are therefore a deviation from God's original plan.

Influenza is caused by a virus, not a bacterium. Now, many laypeople do not realize the extent of the difference between the two, but to make things perfectly clear: humans are much more similar to a single-celled bacterium than any bacterium is to a virus. The existence of viruses seems to pose a problem with the "fall" account for pathogenic microbes, given that they do not appear to be alterations on any known form of benign life. You cannot change E. coli and end up with rotavirus.


http://creation.com/did-god-make-pathogenic-viruses

That article is so fatally flawed in so many ways that I don't even know what to say about it. He equivocates in many places as to whether he is referring to viruses or bacteria, making his writing (perhaps deliberately) extremely unclear. In other places he seems incredibly dishonest, and there is a lot in that article that's just completely irrelevant. A brief survey of the author's credentials and publications reveals him to be a hack.


It's amazing how people can perceive what they want to from anything.