Stephen C. Meyer on argument by definition

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14 Jul 2010, 12:39 am

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Can you give evidence that specifically supports your claims to a deity? Not really other than a vague deity that you, specifically, don't worship and don't even begin to imply in your writings.

There is a difficulty in this entire debate centered around the whole issue being too massive to be addressed at once with any single argument. As such, showing by evidence the implied existence of such a "vague deity" is not accepted as a foundational piece of argumentation, but rejected automatically because showing the implied existence of such a "vague deity" doesn't immediately identify who the "vague deity" is and somehow without proper identification a person doesn't exist....

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14 Jul 2010, 12:43 am

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14 Jul 2010, 12:49 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

without proper identification a person doesn't exist

good point!

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14 Jul 2010, 12:54 am

saintetienne wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

without proper identification a person doesn't exist

good point!

Sorry, but you must identify yourself.

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14 Jul 2010, 12:59 am

i am god

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14 Jul 2010, 1:04 am

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i am god

No, you're not. The content of many of your previous posts primarily preludes this.

Question: when will the next asteroid strike the planet Jupiter while astronomers are observing and what magnitude of spherical geometric distance in kilometers from the geometric center of the visible upper surface of Jupiter's great red spot/hurricane?

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14 Jul 2010, 1:07 am

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i am god

Question: when will the next asteroid strike the planet Jupiter while astronomers are observing and what magnitude of distance in kilometers from the geometric center of the visible upper surface of Jupiter's great red spot/hurricane?

i don't know, i haven't decided yet...

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14 Jul 2010, 1:10 am

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saintetienne wrote:

i am god

i don't know, i haven't decided yet...

If you were God, you would have omniscience and at least know the normative answer to this question based on mere physics alone. You don't know the normative answer to this question based on mere physics alone, so you are not God.

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14 Jul 2010, 1:14 am

i do know, but i can't tell you

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14 Jul 2010, 1:22 am

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i do know, but i can't tell you

What can you tell then? How to properly capitalize and punctuate perhaps? I think that also is beyond you saintetienne.

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14 Jul 2010, 1:25 am

saintetienne wrote:

i don't know

saintetienne wrote:

i do know

God cannot lie, but these statements contradict each other meaning one of them is a lie. You have lied, therefore... put the pieces together....

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14 Jul 2010, 1:32 am

Science looks for: The source of eternal power which forms our existence and governs the universe.

Basically comes down to whether you believe it's God or not.

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14 Jul 2010, 1:33 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

saintetienne wrote:

i don't know

saintetienne wrote:

i do know

God cannot lie, but these statements contradict each other meaning one of them is a lie. You have lied, therefore... put the pieces together....

If God is omnipotent, how can He be denied the ability to lie?

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14 Jul 2010, 1:39 am

DeaconBlues wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

saintetienne wrote:

i don't know

saintetienne wrote:

i do know

God cannot lie, but these statements contradict each other meaning one of them is a lie. You have lied, therefore... put the pieces together....

If God is omnipotent, how can He be denied the ability to lie?

Because the "cannot" is a cannot in regard to his character and not to his physical ability. God is limited in omnipotence by his character.

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14 Jul 2010, 1:41 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

DeaconBlues wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

saintetienne wrote:

i don't know

saintetienne wrote:

i do know

God cannot lie, but these statements contradict each other meaning one of them is a lie. You have lied, therefore... put the pieces together....

If God is omnipotent, how can He be denied the ability to lie?

Because the "cannot" is a cannot in regard to his character and not to his physical ability. God is limited in omnipotence by his character.

And how do you know God's character? Was he an old school buddy or something?

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14 Jul 2010, 1:44 am

DeaconBlues wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

DeaconBlues wrote:

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

saintetienne wrote:

i don't know

saintetienne wrote:

i do know

God cannot lie, but these statements contradict each other meaning one of them is a lie. You have lied, therefore... put the pieces together....

If God is omnipotent, how can He be denied the ability to lie?

Because the "cannot" is a cannot in regard to his character and not to his physical ability. God is limited in omnipotence by his character.

And how do you know God's character? Was he an old school buddy or something?

As long as this is debating the farcical claim of saintetienne, I will answer "sure" rather than prolong the deviation into historicity argumentation. Yes, He was a friend in school and still is today.

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