Hitler and Aspergers Syndrome (Poll and Discussion).

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Do you, personally, believe that Adolf Hitler, sufferered from Asperger's Syndrome.

Yes - But mildly.	20%	[ 14 ]
Yes - Quite severely, too.	14%	[ 10 ]
No.	51%	[ 35 ]
I am not sure.	12%	[ 8 ]
No - But I do believe that he ha AD/HD.	0%	[ 0 ]
No - But I do believe that he had OCD.	3%	[ 2 ]
No - But I do believe that he had Dyslexia.	0%	[ 0 ]

Total votes : 69

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25 Aug 2010, 12:26 pm

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He was just a sh***y painter. Uninspired art.

I think his paintings are casually pretty good.

Anyway, all too often, people hide their intolerance behind a guise of tolerance.

His paintings are on the level of that of a street painter. If he was painting today, he'd be on the streets doing caricatures.

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25 Aug 2010, 12:43 pm

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His paintings are on the level of that of a street painter. If he was painting today, he'd be on the streets doing caricatures.

What's wrong with that?

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25 Aug 2010, 12:47 pm

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His paintings are on the level of that of a street painter. If he was painting today, he'd be on the streets doing caricatures.

What's wrong with that?

Nothing. Just another uninspired, mediocre artist. He couldn't even keep up in art school! That takes a serious lack of imagination...I mean you gotta suck real hard to get booted out of art school.

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25 Aug 2010, 12:49 pm

auntblabby wrote:

whatever it was that was twistin' and turnin' in his noggin, the fact remains that he needs to remain dead and gone and never to return.

QFE!

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25 Aug 2010, 12:51 pm

I must say I find all of this ascription of AS to historical figures and to fictional characters to be pointless.

We all know that Aspie traits alone are not enough to merit a diagnosis, so why do we latch on to the most trivial of Aspie traits and automatically assume that some time of profound deficit comes with it?

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25 Aug 2010, 12:56 pm

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Nothing. Just another uninspired, mediocre artist. He couldn't even keep up in art school! That takes a serious lack of imagination...I mean you gotta suck real hard to get booted out of art school.

Actually, he was never even accepted. He failed 2 entrance exams because he could not draw nude figures. It doesn't mean he had no talent but that he couldn't do one specific thing that just happened to be a prereq. Lots of other painters did things like omit painting hands in portraits as they had a hard time painting hands.

He may have done better in architecture or theatre-design, and those were the fields he was reccommended to pursue. His possible instructors told him he had more specific talent but that his future just wasn't with portraits.

I don't see how that makes him a crappy artist because he couldn't draw people. Who cares if he only did buildings and landscapes?

I'd rather look at Hitler's pictures than the "music" we get today with a bunch of screaming punks dressed in rakish clown outfits jumping and screaming all over the place.

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25 Aug 2010, 1:36 pm

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Nothing. Just another uninspired, mediocre artist. He couldn't even keep up in art school! That takes a serious lack of imagination...I mean you gotta suck real hard to get booted out of art school.

From what little I've seen of Hitler's art, it looked pretty much like stuff you see on post cards to me. That is, you'd forget it a couple seconds after seeing it, unless you knew it was done by one of the most evil men in history.

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25 Aug 2010, 1:58 pm

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True, I was just saying that the paintings looked suitable for commercial use. You could hang them in an office and not think anything of them.

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25 Aug 2010, 1:59 pm

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Nothing. Just another uninspired, mediocre artist. He couldn't even keep up in art school! That takes a serious lack of imagination...I mean you gotta suck real hard to get booted out of art school.

How about one sitting down and playing acoustic guitar and telling stories from the bad old days?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiWoHTIjExA

Edit: I will say he had good taste in music. Wagner kicked ass.

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25 Aug 2010, 2:08 pm

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I'd rather look at Hitler's pictures than the "music" we get today with a bunch of screaming punks dressed in rakish clown outfits jumping and screaming all over the place.

Doesn't sound like any musical genre unless you dislike Insane Clown Posse?

Wouldn't it be better to compare like with like? Another artist of more recent vintage that you dislike? Rather than comparing pedestrian artwork of the 30s and 40s to some strange genre of music that defies categorisation. (Screaming punks dressed as rakish clowns??)

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25 Aug 2010, 2:10 pm

Again, I would have to express my disbelief that some people would have to bring his name up on these boards! :twisted:

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25 Aug 2010, 2:21 pm

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Wouldn't it be better to compare like with like? Another artist of more recent vintage that you dislike? Rather than comparing pedestrian artwork of the 30s and 40s to some strange genre of music that defies categorisation. (Screaming punks dressed as rakish clowns??)

I agree but I was actually comparing to the type of music videos that Ska links to as I was talking to him. I was saying that Htler's art was/is at least palatable when compared with the noise and dreck that pases for music and art these days.

I don't have anything against commerical or pedestrian artwork from that era either. Its not like everything will be a masterpiece but as long as the work is tasteful and understated enough to serve as room decor or something like that.

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25 Aug 2010, 2:57 pm

Hanotaux wrote:

Just because you have a horrifically narrow vision of the world doesn't mean that your tastes are any superior. Just limited to only appreciating certain things. I feel sorry that you can't have a wider breadth of appreciation.

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25 Aug 2010, 3:15 pm

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Better to just pick a few high-quality things to focus on and appreciate than to like a whole bunch of crap....(just for the sake of being 'cosmopolitian.')

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25 Aug 2010, 4:04 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Whether or not Hitler had any mental conditions, for the general population such a syndrome as Asperger's would have qualified a person as an "Unter-minch" and would thus be considered cause for execution in order to free up more resources for his "master-race".

Hmmmm ...
Dr. Asperger (who discovered Asperger's Syndrome) lived and worked with his Aspie clients in Germany or Austria (I forget which) during the Nazi era. He published his paper in 1943, when Hitler was carting the "imperfect" off to death-campls. How did Dr. Asperger keep Hitler from killing the Aspies that Dr. Asperger had discovered and published about?

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25 Aug 2010, 6:05 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:

Because Aspergers' definition of the syndrome was deliberately worded and structured in such a way that it PROMOTES autistics as valuable members of society with a definitive role to perform, perhaps better than anyone else could. (to paraphrase). Besides which, popular opinion turned pretty rapidly against the program of euthanasia against the disabled, creating censure even from the church (who were remarkably quiet about everything else) and despite the beliefs of later generations, the opinion of the public was of great importance to the Reich government. Aspies were not being sold as untermensch, but quite the opposite.

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