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04 Oct 2010, 11:41 pm

leejosepho wrote:

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Um... as I said, which day you designate as the "beginning" or "end" of the week is complete arbitrary.

That matter is not even any part of the question here, Orwell!

Yes, it is. You stated that the Sabbath should be on the last day of the week. I pointed out that there is no such thing. Any day can be designated the last day of the week just as easily as any other.

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05 Oct 2010, 1:02 am

Orwell wrote:

You stated that the Sabbath should be on the last day of the week.

No, I did not. I simply reported what anyone can read in Scripture about that.

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I pointed out that there is no such thing.

You certainly did not! In fact, you made specific reference to "some original week"!

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Any day can be designated the last day of the week just as easily as any other.

Hows so?! Again: We might or might not be out of sync, but that does not move the Sabbath!

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05 Oct 2010, 5:40 am

leejosepho wrote:

Orwell wrote:

You stated that the Sabbath should be on the last day of the week.

No, I did not. I simply reported what anyone can read in Scripture about that.

Whatever, same thing.

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Orwell wrote:

I pointed out that there is no such thing.

You certainly did not! In fact, you made specific reference to "some original week"!

Yes, I did. I was criticizing the notion of "some original week" as useless.

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Any day can be designated the last day of the week just as easily as any other.

Hows so?! Again: We might or might not be out of sync, but that does not move the Sabbath!

What do you mean, how so? Just like New Years. The decision of when we decide to mark a divide between two units of repeating time is completely arbitrary. We could say that Wednesday is the last day of the week, and it would be exactly the same. We could choose March 3 as the first day of a new year. It does not matter which day you choose to start the year or to start the week.

I mean, you basically have to hold to a notion that we are probably (roughly 85.7% chance) out of sync with some actual weekly schedule that we are commanded to follow and are violating God's will by not guessing right on which day of the week is truly "last" and that the true Sabbath can only be observed if you actually do manage to find a multiple of seven days away from whenever the first Sabbath was.

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You might thrive on confusion, but not I!

I think you are the one confused here, not I.

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05 Oct 2010, 7:21 am

Orwell wrote:

I was criticizing the notion of "some original week" as useless.

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05 Oct 2010, 7:40 am

leejosepho wrote:

Orwell wrote:

I was criticizing the notion of "some original week" as useless.

Useless for proving whether or not we are (still) "in sync" with it, but that is not the question here, and the Sabbath is still at the end of it!

Oh, and I had not said you are confused. In fact, I suspect you are quite aware of your use of confusion to confuse![/quote

Are you talking about the week as practiced or the Platonic Week which exists as an Idea?

From a purely factual point of view there are very few distinguished days on this planet. They day of the solstice, perhaps or the day of the equinox. So what makes Sabbath Day (seventh day, day of rest) factually distinguishable from all other days?

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05 Oct 2010, 8:11 am

ruveyn wrote:

Are you talking about the week as practiced or the Platonic Week which exists as an Idea?

Please allow me to go look that up ...

Ugh. No hits. So, I do not know what you mean by "Platonic Week".

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From a purely factual point of view there are very few distinguished days on this planet. They day of the solstice, perhaps or the day of the equinox. So what makes Sabbath Day (seventh day, day of rest) factually distinguishable from all other days?

Its observation.

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05 Oct 2010, 9:50 am

Are Seventh Day Adventists secular for all but one day a week?

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05 Oct 2010, 11:21 am

leejosepho wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Are you talking about the week as practiced or the Platonic Week which exists as an Idea?

Please allow me to go look that up ...

Ugh. No hits. So, I do not know what you mean by "Platonic Week".

ruveyn wrote:

Its observation.

Wrong. It is tradition. The Sabbath day cannot be objectively distinguished from other days by the natural happenings that occur within it. It is a day distinguished by tradition and convention alone, both of which are man-made.

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05 Oct 2010, 7:30 pm

You asked a simple question, Ruveyn:

"So what makes Sabbath Day (seventh day, day of rest) factually distinguishable from all other days?"

... and I gave an accurate answer: "Its observation." To wit:

Only a *lack* of observation would make it indistinguishable from any other day.

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06 Oct 2010, 3:05 am

leejosepho wrote:

The seventh day is pure convention and custom. There is no physical, astronomical property that makes it inherently different from any other day of the week. On the other hand there are special days of the year that have an astronomical definition and property such as the day of the solstice or the day of the equinox.

Do you know the difference between nature and custom? You appear not to make the distinction.

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09 Oct 2010, 10:11 am

ruveyn wrote:

The seventh day is pure convention and custom. There is no physical, astronomical property that makes it inherently different from any other day of the week.

Why have you not included in that list the commandment to observe it?!

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On the other hand there are special days of the year that have an astronomical definition and property such as the day of the solstice or the day of the equinox.

Yes, and we have never been commanded to observe any of them. Interesting, eh?!

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Do you know the difference between nature and custom? You appear not to make the distinction.

I consider neither when considering the Sabbath ... and as best I can tell, that is today.

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09 Oct 2010, 10:35 am

leejosepho wrote:

Ugh. No hits. So, I do not know what you mean by "Platonic Week".

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Look up the adjective "Platonic:" and apply it to "week".

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09 Oct 2010, 11:07 am

ruveyn wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

Ugh. No hits. So, I do not know what you mean by "Platonic Week".

Look up the adjective "Platonic:" and apply it to "week".

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