Greenspan Chides Republicans For Pushing To Extend Bush Tax

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The Pinko Stinko Liberal Democrats worship at the idol of Zero Sum. They cannot conceive of a win-win in which many people benefit. That is because they also worship the Goddess Equality.

ruveyn

what is the matter with those people? they must be swimming in money, otherwise why would anybody want to bankrupt themselves? have you any idea how expensive real health insurance for the elderly is? by real i mean a plan that actually covers routine medical expenses, otherwise it is worthless.

Hey, how about the fact doctors are quitting their profession and/or refusing to even see patients that are on medicare because everytime they see a medicare patient they are losing money.

Fact is Government can't run anything effectively aside from the military (and even that is questionable at times). I don't want them in control of my health, because it is going to be used as a political tool.

you would think differently if you were poor with no prospects for improvement.

Our society is not (yet) run for the benefit of the poor with no prospects for improvement.

ruveyn

many folk would have absolutely no incentive to support such an inhumane society. remember, those sans any hope can be a dangerous thing.

Sorry, but I currently am poor because I can't find a job because the economy is in shambles. I managed to graduate right when the economy tanked. I am lucky that I'm still on my parent's insurance. Btw, I wouldn't be able to afford the doctor I have for my ADHD (which I have in addition to HFA or Asperger's or whatever they are deciding to call it now). Medicare doesn't even cover the visits... Oh and a lot of people are losing their insurance thanks to Obamacare.

Like the story goes.

The Republican Passes a poor guy and does nothing. A Democrat comes up and says they will help the individual. The Democrat promptly mugs a passerby and takes all their stuff and keeps it. The person is like my situation hasn't improved at all. The Democrat is like yeah but things are equal now.

Is that a threat? The unruly mob can be mowed down by machine gun fire.

ruveyn

i am not happy about your situation, and i wish you were happier and where you want to be in life, but i can't help but notice that you expressed annoyance over medicare [medicaid?] not covering enough of your medical needs while you oppose health care reforms which would expand coverage for poor folk such as yourself - don't you see a disconnect there? if you oppose obama and his reforms then being opposed to staying on your parent's plan past the age of 21 would at least be morally consistent. is being able to stay on your parent's plan an ok thing just for you and yours? have you no idea how that looks? this old fert wishes he could afford treatment for his own addled noodle.

the fact that you managed to graduate college is a sign of extremely high functioning brainpower in my book, much more than i could ever claim. i envy you your brains, and would trade you any day of the week.

i cannot help but wonder, if you are poor then why you are supporting such an inhumane rightist philosophy? are you really saying to your fellow po'folk, "get away from me! i'm not like you! i'm going to be rich soon and you can just eat my dust!" this pofolk sees that as a cold shoulder to your fellow po'folk. in a drowning pool it is bad karma to push others' heads down just so one can keep one's own head above water. we are all in the drowning pool together, and whether you like it or not, we are all in the same struggle to survive. please remember your fellow struggling humans.
don't be offended, but i am praying for you.

a wise person would recognize that [desperate hordes] as a threatening eventuality, and no amount of machine guns can mow down all of us starving "useless eaters", and no amount of concentration camps can eliminate us all. there will always be more and more and more. how far would you be willing to go to get rid of us losers? you [of all people] must know how this looks. such coldbloodedness is disquieting.

I'm pointing out that medicare doesn't cover it and the Doctor won't take medicare. The only reason I am still on my parent's insurance is cause that parent is on long-term disability after being exposed to toxic mold at the University she worked at. If it ended up on workman's comp she would lose her benefits such as insurance, and we couldn't sue because of a nice little law that says state employees can't sue the state.



Actually, the fact I wasn't diagnosed as being on the spectrum until freshman year of college wasn't cool either.



I support people choosing to donate their own money to charity to help poor people, I do not support the government forcing people to pay to support others. I quite frankly wouldn't trust the Government to run a lemonade stand let alone anything to do with my health. Organizations like Salvation Army are a lot better at helping the poor than the government. From what I've seen of the Obamacare bill and from my standpoint, it is going to make the situation far worse than it currently is.

Quite frankly, all of Obamacare needs to be repealed and we start over and do it like the Republicans wanted to handle it.

Put things like no denying someone for pre-existing conditions up as a stand alone bill without all the garbage piled on.

the repubs just want the status quo before obama, plus total indemnity for incompetent health care providers via eliminating the right of tort redress.



helping the poor [such as the situation you find yourself living right now] afford healthcare is NOT garbage. don't you want any help with your situation? curbing insurance industry misbehavior [gouging, cherry-picking] is NOT garbage. insurance pools for spreading the risk isn't garbage. what rightists don't seem to get, is that obama merely polished the jagged edges off the current inhumane system, he did not impose a universal health care regime by any means. insurance company bloodsucking will still be allowed to exist. money grubbing wallstreeters everywhere should be happy about that. millions of people [estimates range from 15-20 million] will still fall through the cracks, aren't you satisfied with that? that is a lot of unlucky folk for which one can be happy about their collective misfortune.

First, you need to seperate what Republicans have actually stated from the Liberal Left's talking points. Republicans want to get rid of frivolous lawsuits, not lawsuits over medical malpractice, (Extreme Example: if a doctor cuts off a patients leg due to gangreen (sp?) and the gangreen was on said person's arm not their leg, Republicans feel you have a right to sue).



I don't think we should be covering people that are in this country illegally. Also a lot of companies are dumping people off insurance because it is cheaper to just pay the fine rather than deal with all the legislative bull.

Another key point, a person can sue an insurance company if they do something really aggresious and win. How do you sue the Federal Government as an individual? Quite frankly, I don't trust insurance companies however I have found government to be even less trustworthy.

I know of an individual whom has lost his eyes quite literally be called in for an eye exam (social security disability and medicare were trying to kick him off the rolls) to see if his vision had improved... Your Federal Tax Money at work.

As far as I know they aren't in poverty, but they aren't rich either.

As Inuyasha points out, medicare doesn't provide very good medical care. I'll give you my mother as an example. She's 78 and has had diabetes for a couple of decades.

When she first got on medicare, the doctors put her on insulin because it was easy to prescribe and was cheap, since medicare didn't cover drugs at the time. Then a few years ago, she saw a really good doctor who spent the time to convince her to fix her diet, and she was able to drop her diabetes drugs - plus, all her symptoms, numbness in the extremities, etc., went away.

Then the medicare prescription drug benefit kicked in. The next time she saw a doctor, he told her to eat anything she wanted, and prescribed the latest and greatest expensive diabetes drugs instead. I won't say he got an incentive from the drug company, but I'm sure it was quicker to write a prescription than giving her a pep talk that would keep her on a diet that was healthy for her - and he needed to be quick, because medicare wouldn't pay for much of his time. Of course, her diabetes symptoms started coming back.

Any sane system would reward the second doctor, who managed to entirely fix her diabetes at zero cost in drugs. But no, medicare encourages the third doctor, who prescribes thousands of dollars of drugs which don't fix the problem, meanwhile telling her to go ahead and eat the cookies and sweets that are causing the problem in the first place. The result is that medicare ends up paying several times as much money for poorer health coverage.


Medicare works just as badly for poor people as for rich people.

Based on your writing, I think you have plenty enough brains to be a productive taxpayer, if you put your mind to it.


So Obama didn't get a universal health care system, "bloodsucking" will continue, and millions of people will fall through the cracks, all at a huge cost to the taxpayer and the economy. Why are you supporting all of these things again?

Truth is, the Republicans probably dislike Obamacare for exactly the faults you yourself seem to dislike. Here in Massachusetts, a Republican governor signed a bipartisan health care system that got much closer to universal coverage, prevented any "bloodsucking" by imposing reasonable rules on insurance companies, and was only limited in its effectiveness by federal rules. Unfortunately, instead of changes to the federal rules to allow our system to work to its full potential, we're going to lose the benefits of Romneycare because it's preempted by Obamacare.

that is just horatio alger speaking. i am good for little more than the occasional bon mot. you don't know me from adam, so there is no way you could have any real idea of my limitations. having been misunderstood all my life, i have had to develop an exactitude with my words that merely appears to be verbal facility. btw i have paid taxes since i was a teenager. shrub managed to get civil service to lay me and several thousand other civil servants off the rolls, during his 8 years. the bastard. my army skillset was good only for the army hospitals where i worked for over 20 years- civilian hospitals didn't want me. my savings were lost in bad investments, as i am no match for crooked genius wallstreeters. i was never any good for schooling, IOW it was just a struggle to graduate from high school. college? fuggedaboudit. when i was in the army, it was flooded with people even more [fornicated]-up than me, otherwise i'd have been chaptered out on my keister in a fortnight. i am an incurable scatterbrain, but on paper [thanks to non-linear editing], i can compose my thoughts sufficient to make a bit of sense. it is all an illusion. i should thank mr. gates, even though he wouldn't hire me to wipe his ass.



because half a loaf is better than the total nothing "wish sandwich" that repubs offer people like me. let me change that a bit, repubs offer me their rotting garbage. politics is merely the art of the possible, repubs notwithstanding - their united buzzsaw opposition to the mere concept of universal healthcare meant that the timid dems had to take what they could get, which meant they had to play palsy-walsy with the insurance bloodsuckers. the repubs keep repeating their nonsense panacea about restricting malpractice lawsuits, which won't help me one iota. neither would enabling lowballing across state lines won't help me one iota, because that will merely encourage the marketing of ghost plans reminiscent of abe lincoln's comment, "thinner than the homeopathic soup made by boiling the bones of the ghost of a chicken that starved to death." i would take canada's system [warts and all] in a picosecond, over our inhumane non-system which only penalizes the working class.