What Makes People Vote Republican?
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.html
the video's just under 19 minutes long. on this topic.
It figures that he would have done TED.
I <3 TED.
TED <3s us all.
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I think the difference is pretty clear - some people want a near-perfect world now on economic Marquis De Sade terms, other people would love a near-perfect world but don't feel that a few years of utopia is worth a country crashing into the dust and becoming a far worse place to live for decades or even centuries thereafter. The notion that people vote Republican dominantly for racist or anti-gay reasons is a mythology that left-leaning liberals have to keep telling themselves, with seemingly about as much doggedness as Christians need to recite their own basic tenets.
As for the author's acumen with human psychology and the dog/flag bit, I'm getting the impression that he doesn't understand the power of symbolism in general. He wants to discuss gut reactions as base/lymbic? Yes they're there, but typically speaking they're also profoundly logical as our subconscious constantly plugs away at things that would overload our conscious minds if we tried it. Its not to say that things like racism or anti-gay sentiment is right, its to say that there are ingrained reasons and understanding those reasons, where they come from, is actually the best way to dissolve the reaction. On the other hand a woman chopping a flag to clean a toilet, its not wrong, its not recommended though either. Eating a dead dog - also, not wrong, but not recommended for similar reasons; we have meta-tags all over everything we see, everything that symbolizes a concept in some way shape or form, and when we act in certain ways on certain objects it has ripple effects that go past the immediate, ie. they aren't good for our mental health. Would I recommend eating a dog if one is starving? Yes, death is more important than two concepts of 'dog' bashing into each other and whatever mild turbulence that may cause. Using the flag as a tourniquet in an emergency medical situation? Yes, not bleeding out is more important than clashes created by bashing a concept of nation against band-aid. All the same if you want to clean a toilet, go in the cabinet and have a) a dust rag and b) a national flag, choose A for your own good, no one is watching but that's not the issue. If you have lots of food in the fridge and have the choice between eating the dead dog which you had as a part of your family or burying it, again, no one is watching from the government but you might rather honor the dog's death as a family member as that was its function - are you likely to eat your parents or kids if you do otherwise? No. Can it still be psychologically unhealthy? Yes.
I think when the author learns how to take things apart like that and understand how our minds deal with concepts he'll be better off and perhaps won't be mislabeling intent. Also, can't forget - Charles Krauthammer is a psychologist as well. It would be interesting to see his counter-diagnosis of this article.
I think it's pretty clear this piece is just another far-left liberal trying to claim people aren't intelligent because they don't agree with the nutty left's agenda.
They want to accuse Republicans of Nazism when it is the Democrats that have the history of racism and anti-semitism. Fact is, Democrats can't get away with spewing their lies anymore and not get called on it.
See Juan Williams getting fired from NPR. There is the demonstration of the left's tolerance.
You have Conservatives accepting Juan Williams despite the fact he is a liberal, they don't care about his skin color, let me get this through your head. Conservatives and the overwhelming majority of Republicans believe people should not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their charecter.
You have Conservatives accepting Juan Williams despite the fact he is a liberal, they don't care about his skin color, let me get this through your head. Conservatives and the overwhelming majority of Republicans believe people should not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their charecter.
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They want to accuse Republicans of Nazism when it is the Democrats that have the history of racism and anti-semitism. Fact is, Democrats can't get away with spewing their lies anymore and not get called on it.
See Juan Williams getting fired from NPR. There is the demonstration of the left's tolerance.
You have Conservatives accepting Juan Williams despite the fact he is a liberal, they don't care about his skin color, let me get this through your head. Conservatives and the overwhelming majority of Republicans believe people should not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their charecter.
I think it's pretty clear you obviously didn't actually bother to read the piece.
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that you didn't actually read the whole piece. search it for the word "racism," if you're too lazy but you still want to pretend you read it.
the ted talk i linked is him giving a talk about the idea to a pretty liberal group and he makes sure to point out that liberals have a lot of the same problems as conservatives when it comes to perceiving the difference between the two groups.
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They want to accuse Republicans of Nazism when it is the Democrats that have the history of racism and anti-semitism. Fact is, Democrats can't get away with spewing their lies anymore and not get called on it.
See Juan Williams getting fired from NPR. There is the demonstration of the left's tolerance.
You have Conservatives accepting Juan Williams despite the fact he is a liberal, they don't care about his skin color, let me get this through your head. Conservatives and the overwhelming majority of Republicans believe people should not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their charecter.
I think it's pretty clear you obviously didn't actually bother to read the piece.
Actually I read through what you posted, and quite frankly it is garbage and nothing more than a propaganda piece.
@ waltur
I was pointing out it was a smear job, I didn't say it actually said racism in it.
I think this only proves the authors point about how republicans often find more meaning in symbolism than democrats and that they will seek to find arguments that support the importance of said symbolism.
I think these examples are only psychologically unhealthy if you struggle to detach the meaning from the object. I'm not saying I would eat a dog, but I can accept an argument of efficiency because I generally find waste to be bad. Having had a personal experience with food poisoning, food safety easily trumps efficiency, so this is not something I would ever consider doing.
On the article as a whole, I thought there were some interesting points, but I think it's both a lot simpler and a lot more complicated of a topic, if that makes any sense.
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They want to accuse Republicans of Nazism when it is the Democrats that have the history of racism and anti-semitism. Fact is, Democrats can't get away with spewing their lies anymore and not get called on it.
See Juan Williams getting fired from NPR. There is the demonstration of the left's tolerance.
You have Conservatives accepting Juan Williams despite the fact he is a liberal, they don't care about his skin color, let me get this through your head. Conservatives and the overwhelming majority of Republicans believe people should not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their charecter.
I think it's pretty clear you obviously didn't actually bother to read the piece.
Actually I read through what you posted, and quite frankly it is garbage and nothing more than a propaganda piece.
@ waltur
I was pointing out it was a smear job, I didn't say it actually said racism in it.
How exactly was it propaganda? The author was not smearing Republicans-- he was offering an analysis of the moral ideals that conservatives value, as opposed to the ones liberals value. He was suggesting that the reasons Democrats have such difficulty connecting to the American electorate is because most Democrats only focus on the rights of individuals, and neglect to address the other moral concerns of a large portion of the country, such as unity of the nation as a whole. If anything, he was claiming that conservatives are inherently more successful at relating to the additional moral concerns of Americans, simply because Democrats are so short-sighted regarding their identification of the issues which matter to people. The author of the piece made no value judgment against conservatives, and made an admirable attempt at clinically dissecting the logic behind conservatism. Upon what basis do you regard his findings to be motivated by a desire to "smear" anyone?
They want to accuse Republicans of Nazism when it is the Democrats that have the history of racism and anti-semitism. Fact is, Democrats can't get away with spewing their lies anymore and not get called on it.
See Juan Williams getting fired from NPR. There is the demonstration of the left's tolerance.
You have Conservatives accepting Juan Williams despite the fact he is a liberal, they don't care about his skin color, let me get this through your head. Conservatives and the overwhelming majority of Republicans believe people should not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their charecter.
I think it's pretty clear you obviously didn't actually bother to read the piece.
Actually I read through what you posted, and quite frankly it is garbage and nothing more than a propaganda piece.
@ waltur
I was pointing out it was a smear job, I didn't say it actually said racism in it.
How exactly was it propaganda? The author was not smearing Republicans-- he was offering an analysis of the moral ideals that conservatives value, as opposed to the ones liberals value. He was suggesting that the reasons Democrats have such difficulty connecting to the American electorate is because most Democrats only focus on the rights of individuals, and neglect to address the other moral concerns of a large portion of the country, such as unity of the nation as a whole. If anything, he was claiming that conservatives are inherently more successful at relating to the additional moral concerns of Americans, simply because Democrats are so short-sighted regarding their identification of the issues which matter to people. The author of the piece made no value judgment against conservatives, and made an admirable attempt at clinically dissecting the logic behind conservatism. Upon what basis do you regard his findings to be motivated by a desire to "smear" anyone?
I would say that Democrats don't focus on the rights of individuals they support free speech as long as they agree with it.
There are many different reasons why someone might vote for one party or the other. I think the majority of people see it this way:
"I'm liberal. Of the two major political parties, the Democratic party is the more liberal one. Therefore, I'm a Democrat."
"I'm conservative. Of the two major political parties, the Republican one is the more conservative one. Therefore, I'm a Republican."
I think that most people ignore minor political parties because they either figure that minor parties don't stand a chance, or they just don't bother to research them. As a result, they have very few candidates to choose from. It turns into a vote for the lesser evil, and people vote with the major party that best represents their views, even if neither party does a great job of it. I'm personally not a fan of political parties, especially the major ones. I think that the bigger they get, the more corrupt they become. I wish more people would look at what all of the available candidates have to offer, rather than just going along with a major party.
They want to accuse Republicans of Nazism when it is the Democrats that have the history of racism and anti-semitism. Fact is, Democrats can't get away with spewing their lies anymore and not get called on it.
See Juan Williams getting fired from NPR. There is the demonstration of the left's tolerance.
You have Conservatives accepting Juan Williams despite the fact he is a liberal, they don't care about his skin color, let me get this through your head. Conservatives and the overwhelming majority of Republicans believe people should not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their charecter.
I think it's pretty clear you obviously didn't actually bother to read the piece.
Actually I read through what you posted, and quite frankly it is garbage and nothing more than a propaganda piece.
@ waltur
I was pointing out it was a smear job, I didn't say it actually said racism in it.
How exactly was it propaganda? The author was not smearing Republicans-- he was offering an analysis of the moral ideals that conservatives value, as opposed to the ones liberals value. He was suggesting that the reasons Democrats have such difficulty connecting to the American electorate is because most Democrats only focus on the rights of individuals, and neglect to address the other moral concerns of a large portion of the country, such as unity of the nation as a whole. If anything, he was claiming that conservatives are inherently more successful at relating to the additional moral concerns of Americans, simply because Democrats are so short-sighted regarding their identification of the issues which matter to people. The author of the piece made no value judgment against conservatives, and made an admirable attempt at clinically dissecting the logic behind conservatism. Upon what basis do you regard his findings to be motivated by a desire to "smear" anyone?
I would say that Democrats don't focus on the rights of individuals they support free speech as long as they agree with it.
do you read anything anyone writes?
do you just skim for keywords, sort into "right/left" and then fire keystroke-torpedoes?
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