Finish the racists for good?
Having races is not inherent in the human species. We could see enough genetic mixing to make racism difficult or impossible.
Granted tribalism would probably then take on other forms.
Generalize the notion of hatred or fear of groups of Outsiders or Strangers. If not biological races, then religions, philosophies and nationalities will become objects of hatred.
ruveyn
Thing is the label has been so overused it doesn't mean anything anymore.
Except that its still a perfectly accurate word to describe unpleasant individuals who make ridiculous statements about inferiority/superiority based on unfounded BS. There are plenty of those around. It means exactly what it means, and people crying that its over-used are often the first ones to come out with spurious Stormfront BS.
This is why I seriously have a problem with liberals like yourself, cause normally you think you're right about something and whomever disagrees with you is inferior in some ways. I got news for you, you are not superior and quite frankly if you start insulting people, why should they even bother to consider you may have a point. I was treated like crap at several message boards before I came here. You know what they went on and on about how they were right. Thing is, over time I've been proven to be right now (though they will never admit it).
As someone whom has been called all the crappy stuff in the world and even banned for quoting someone whom called an admin on the fact that they were out of line. I have been called a racist, homophobe, and everything else by people that were intolerant bigots. Also for the record, I am part Native American, I quite frankly don't give a crap what race someone is. I'm against gay marriage, that doesn't mean I want homosexuals rounded up and arrested or harassed.
To be frank Macbeth, it sounds to me like you are describing yourself when it comes to jamming fingers into ears. To be honest, I don't consider people that start insulting me to even have a valid point in the first place, furthermore when I comment on something I actually do have some knowledge of the situation and/or have read some source material on the subject. I have an extremely good long term memory. There are some things I can recall from about 25 years ago.
So you have the memory of an elephant. Whoopee for you. Utterly irrelevant. Doesn't make you "right" about anything. I can remember s**t from nigh on 30 years ago. I imagine that Ruyven and Sand can recall things pushing 50 or 60 years back. Some people can remember the Titanic going down.
Seems I hit a sensitive spot though. Are you feeling insulted by my generic comment about individuals who frequent certain right-wing websites? Do you consider yourself to be part of that terribly maligned and misunderstood group? Because I certainly never said YOU were some kind of mono-brow neo-nazi ass-clown. What I said is that lots of inbred dumbass neo-nazi assclowns can be summed up very neatly with the term "racist", because that's exactly what they are. If you choose to place yourself in that particular grouping then its your own fault.
Of course if you ARE one of those ill-educated cretins who think that a short mentally ill unemployed Austrian house-painter from a different sovereign nation to your own who had an incestuous relationship with his own niece, lied and ass-kissed his way into a high military honour, and had the military acumen of an 8 year old wargamer, provides some amazing insight into racial purity and was a paragon of Aryan ideals then yes, I will happily insult you for days, weeks, months and years.
Personally, I think the term "Liberal" is so overused it doesn't mean anything any more. Seems a bit foolish to decide I must be a "liberal" because I can tell a fool when I see one, and give it its true name.
" I have been called a racist, homophobe, and everything else." you say? Well until I see evidence to suggest otherwise, why should I not consider it quite possible that you were named such because you were being such? Is this not feasible? Could it not be the case?After all, simply being "of" a race does not make one immune to being a racist or a homophobe. I'm quite sure that many Native Americans can come up with some absolutely blinding racial epithets for the non-native variety of American, in much the same way as the Black community knows some pretty mean terms for whites. Are you trying to claim otherwise? Are you claiming that being in a racial minority means you cannot be racist? If you believe this to be the case, are you also familiar with the current, cutting edge science of Phrenology?
As for fingers in ears: its more comfortable to insert someone elses head up their own ass when they start spouting Nazi shite. Failing that, drowning them in their own massive sump of factual inaccuracy. I've never known a Neo-Nazi who actually read Mein Kampf, and certainly not one who understood it. Guess who HAS read it though? *
*Its absolutely dire. Not just the content, which is the ranting of someone who is not only clearly mentally ill, but also wishes to blame every other organism on earth before he blames himself. The writing itself is painfully rubbish, like the scrawlings of a demented pre-schooler. The Moslems tried to kill Salman Rushdie for writing as bad as that in Mein Kampf. (Or at least I assume that's why they were upset. God hates sh***y grammar too.)
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"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
I can remember things from when I was a toddler, furthermore I have an unofficial minor in history (would have a minor in it if the Department at the University I went allowed one to get a history minor). Also, considering the Titanic was lost in 1912, someone would have to be 98 years old to even have been born when the Titanic went down, 100 years old for them to be 2. 102 years old for them to be 4 years old. I doubt there are many people left that can honestly say they remember when the Titanic went down which would be something extremely unusual. I can remember stuff that was fairly mundane.
Honestly I'm just seriously worried about people here continuing to drink the kool-aid.
I consider myself part of the silent majority that has finally said enough and started to take our country back from elitist snobs.
If you want to find KKK members look in the ranks of liberals, last I checked the KKK can't stand Republicans and vice-versa. Didn't the Democrats have a Senate Majority leader that was a member of the KKK.
You are referring to Adolf Hitler I presume, whom was a lunatic. Quite frankly, considering the majority of Conservatives are extremely pro-Israel and pro-Jewish, looks to me you are spouting off a bunch of B.S.
Seriously, you want to insult me based on skin pigmentation go ahead, you're just proving you're projecting your faults onto me. I am part white, part native american so what? Big deal? I'm still a Citizen of the United States of America, just like Martin Luther King Jr. was, like Ronald Reagan, like George W. Bush, etc. I couldn't care less about what color someone's skin is.
Quite frankly, I have never read the trash that Hitler wrote, and in all honesty only thing I would want to use it for is target practice with a 12 gage. To insinuate to someone whose grandfather helped liberate one of the concentation camps is a neo-nazi is really beyond the pale. I have friends that are Jewish you jerk. I am tempted to call you something far worse but I'm refraining cause there may be children present.
You seriously crossed the line with your comments.
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It hurts my brain to think about it. There are still too many racists on all sides, I don't think that non-white racists hold any difference in the quality of their thought. Also, does someone have a right to marry into their own or prefer to keep to their own? Absolutely. Do people have an inherent tendency to exploit a door when it opens for their own personal gain and wave such terms as weapons to get what they want? Yes. All of these things are happening at the same time and I don't think its a winnable argument which happens more - valid problems from racism or people defrauding the movement against it for their own personal gain. Regardless I think most of the 'ism's seem to work great these days for one thing - blocking meaningful conversation about how to go forward.
I can remember things from when I was a toddler, furthermore I have an unofficial minor in history (would have a minor in it if the Department at the University I went allowed one to get a history minor). Also, considering the Titanic was lost in 1912, someone would have to be 98 years old to even have been born when the Titanic went down, 100 years old for them to be 2. 102 years old for them to be 4 years old. I doubt there are many people left that can honestly say they remember when the Titanic went down which would be something extremely unusual. I can remember stuff that was fairly mundane.
Honestly I'm just seriously worried about people here continuing to drink the kool-aid.
I consider myself part of the silent majority that has finally said enough and started to take our country back from elitist snobs.
If you want to find KKK members look in the ranks of liberals, last I checked the KKK can't stand Republicans and vice-versa. Didn't the Democrats have a Senate Majority leader that was a member of the KKK.
You are referring to Adolf Hitler I presume, whom was a lunatic. Quite frankly, considering the majority of Conservatives are extremely pro-Israel and pro-Jewish, looks to me you are spouting off a bunch of B.S.
Seriously, you want to insult me based on skin pigmentation go ahead, you're just proving you're projecting your faults onto me. I am part white, part native american so what? Big deal? I'm still a Citizen of the United States of America, just like Martin Luther King Jr. was, like Ronald Reagan, like George W. Bush, etc. I couldn't care less about what color someone's skin is.
Quite frankly, I have never read the trash that Hitler wrote, and in all honesty only thing I would want to use it for is target practice with a 12 gage. To insinuate to someone whose grandfather helped liberate one of the concentation camps is a neo-nazi is really beyond the pale. I have friends that are Jewish you jerk. I am tempted to call you something far worse but I'm refraining cause there may be children present.
You seriously crossed the line with your comments.
Did I insult you for your skin colour? No I did not. I merely pointed out the absolutely accurate truth that people can be racist NO MATTER WHAT ETHNIC GROUP they are in. I find the fact that you even try to make such a spurious claim highly insulting. Not to mention absolutely misguided and clearly counter to everything I said. Did you READ the parts where I rudely insulted racist neo-nazi dickheads? GO and look again at me being mean to cretins who make judgements by race, and THEN tell me that I insulted you for YOUR race.
Your glowing references in racial harmony and co-operation make absolutely no difference to any statement I made. You know what? Jews can be racists too. Nationalism and Racism and extremism in general all transcend race, which is both amusing and ironic. The one thing that Utra-Hardline Zionists and members of Combat 18 can agree on is that they HATE bloody foreigners. There is no automatic get-out clause. "I'm Polynesian so I can't be a racist." Ridiculous.
Also.. Conservatives? What have they got to do with my mention of HItler's idiot ramblings? You seem very fond of these incredibly clear cut political divisions, regardless of whether they apply or not. Same with your references to the KKK not liking Democrats or whatever. Not everything in this world can be divided into these American political sub-divisions.
I might add that whilst your Grandfathers actions may be wholeheartedly stirring, brave and commendable, that still has no bearing on YOU. Your grandfather could be a fully paid up bounty hunter out collecting Nazi scalps a la Inglorious Bastards, and that doesn't prevent YOU from being a racist, an environmentalist, a baptist, or a fully paid up wizard. Not that you ARE neccessarily any of those things. But you could be. Hell, for the difference it makes, HE could have been an anti-semetic nutbag, and he could still have "liberated" a death camp. Plenty of allied soldiers were like that you know. Again (because you appear to be having difficulty differentiating between a possibiility and an accusation, I repeat that I'm not saying HE WAS SUCH A THING. Merely that he COULD HAVE BEEN.) K?
So I reiterate... If you ARE some kind of neo-nazi racist bumhole then I revile you and all of your misbegotten ilk, and wish you nothing but a speedy (yet painful) demise. If you are not, bully for you, and stop trying to defend them.
And it still doesn't matter what your overall recall of events is like. And no, there aren't many left who can recall the Titanic, but at least until recently there were some. Would you like me to generalise? Many Old People Can Remember Things That Happened In The Past. It Is Not a Unique or Special Talent.
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"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
Goodness, do some research on whats happening to the second amendment!
Theres a reason Americans rushed out to buy all the guns and ammunition they could before Obahma got in.
As for "Racism", its just a term to make whites afraid to ever complain against are homes being taken from us and given to another culture.
You want to see real racism and apartied, just go to Israel and see whats happening to the Palestinians and Arabs.
Let's get rid of racism.
First we will ban La Raza (the race)
Then we will rid ourselves of all the "Jewish defense" groups.
Then we will eliminate the "black students" or "black policeman's" groups, or special interest clubs for gays or lesbians or anyone else.
Then we will get rid of quotas in education or the workforce, based on race or gender or sexual preference.
We will treat everyone EXACTLY THE SAME and hold them to the same standards.
Isn't that FAIR?
First we will ban La Raza (the race)
Then we will rid ourselves of all the "Jewish defense" groups.
Then we will eliminate the "black students" or "black policeman's" groups, or special interest clubs for gays or lesbians or anyone else.
Then we will get rid of quotas in education or the workforce, based on race or gender or sexual preference.
We will treat everyone EXACTLY THE SAME and hold them to the same standards.
Isn't that FAIR?
Oh you naughty little Nazi, racist, anti-semetic, homophobic, BNP supporting, white pride, bigot, hater you, How could you possibly suggest such a wicked thing as equality that applies to all.
First we will ban La Raza (the race)
Then we will rid ourselves of all the "Jewish defense" groups.
Then we will eliminate the "black students" or "black policeman's" groups, or special interest clubs for gays or lesbians or anyone else.
Then we will get rid of quotas in education or the workforce, based on race or gender or sexual preference.
We will treat everyone EXACTLY THE SAME and hold them to the same standards.
Isn't that FAIR?
Oh you naughty little Nazi, racist, anti-semetic, homophobic, BNP supporting, white pride, bigot, hater you, How could you possibly suggest such a wicked thing as equality that applies to all.
Surely there is some distinction between a group that creates an inequality between two groups by favouring one over the other (Black Students groups), a venue for like-minded individuals of a given sexuality (gay clubs) and a body created to protect against genocide (Jewish defense groups.) ? Its one thing to treat people equally regardless of colour/sex/creed, which is quite agreeable. Its another to suggest that all groups are by default capable of being "equal" or to think that all groups get treated equally. The fact that these policies and groups exist are as a direct result of inequality. Such policies clearly need fine-tuning to prevent other inequalities, but that doesn't mean they are wrong or unrequired.
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"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
First we will ban La Raza (the race)
Then we will rid ourselves of all the "Jewish defense" groups.
Then we will eliminate the "black students" or "black policeman's" groups, or special interest clubs for gays or lesbians or anyone else.
Then we will get rid of quotas in education or the workforce, based on race or gender or sexual preference.
We will treat everyone EXACTLY THE SAME and hold them to the same standards.
Isn't that FAIR?
Oh you naughty little Nazi, racist, anti-semetic, homophobic, BNP supporting, white pride, bigot, hater you, How could you possibly suggest such a wicked thing as equality that applies to all.
Surely there is some distinction between a group that creates an inequality between two groups by favouring one over the other (Black Students groups), a venue for like-minded individuals of a given sexuality (gay clubs) and a body created to protect against genocide (Jewish defense groups.) ? Its one thing to treat people equally regardless of colour/sex/creed, which is quite agreeable. Its another to suggest that all groups are by default capable of being "equal" or to think that all groups get treated equally. The fact that these policies and groups exist are as a direct result of inequality. Such policies clearly need fine-tuning to prevent other inequalities, but that doesn't mean they are wrong or unrequired.
Keep your eyes peeled for when they allow a White hetro-sexual working class male association, thats when I will belive you.
First we will ban La Raza (the race)
Then we will rid ourselves of all the "Jewish defense" groups.
Then we will eliminate the "black students" or "black policeman's" groups, or special interest clubs for gays or lesbians or anyone else.
Then we will get rid of quotas in education or the workforce, based on race or gender or sexual preference.
We will treat everyone EXACTLY THE SAME and hold them to the same standards.
Isn't that FAIR?
Oh you naughty little Nazi, racist, anti-semetic, homophobic, BNP supporting, white pride, bigot, hater you, How could you possibly suggest such a wicked thing as equality that applies to all.
Surely there is some distinction between a group that creates an inequality between two groups by favouring one over the other (Black Students groups), a venue for like-minded individuals of a given sexuality (gay clubs) and a body created to protect against genocide (Jewish defense groups.) ? Its one thing to treat people equally regardless of colour/sex/creed, which is quite agreeable. Its another to suggest that all groups are by default capable of being "equal" or to think that all groups get treated equally. The fact that these policies and groups exist are as a direct result of inequality. Such policies clearly need fine-tuning to prevent other inequalities, but that doesn't mean they are wrong or unrequired.
Keep your eyes peeled for when they allow a White hetro-sexual working class male association, thats when I will belive you.
Thing is Liberals try to encourage racism because they want their little voting blocks. "If you vote for a Republican, black churches are going to burn." NPR fired Juan Williams because he could think for himself and wasn't a mindless drone. The left has a meltdown whenever Sarah Palin speaks because she is a woman that is conservative and is successful. It completely flies in the face of their worldview and utterly destroys the left's credibility.
You know who first came to Juan Williams defense, the people at Fox News, Conservative Bloggers, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, and Republicans in congress. I will give Jesse Jackson credit for coming to Juan's defense as well, though Al Sharpton remained silent as did the ACLU. Kudos to Jesse Jackson for putting principles ahead of politics.
First we will ban La Raza (the race)
Then we will rid ourselves of all the "Jewish defense" groups.
Then we will eliminate the "black students" or "black policeman's" groups, or special interest clubs for gays or lesbians or anyone else.
Then we will get rid of quotas in education or the workforce, based on race or gender or sexual preference.
We will treat everyone EXACTLY THE SAME and hold them to the same standards.
Isn't that FAIR?
Oh you naughty little Nazi, racist, anti-semetic, homophobic, BNP supporting, white pride, bigot, hater you, How could you possibly suggest such a wicked thing as equality that applies to all.
Surely there is some distinction between a group that creates an inequality between two groups by favouring one over the other (Black Students groups), a venue for like-minded individuals of a given sexuality (gay clubs) and a body created to protect against genocide (Jewish defense groups.) ? Its one thing to treat people equally regardless of colour/sex/creed, which is quite agreeable. Its another to suggest that all groups are by default capable of being "equal" or to think that all groups get treated equally. The fact that these policies and groups exist are as a direct result of inequality. Such policies clearly need fine-tuning to prevent other inequalities, but that doesn't mean they are wrong or unrequired.
Keep your eyes peeled for when they allow a White hetro-sexual working class male association, thats when I will belive you.
What's to believe or not believe? Its simply "the case" that such Equality legislation exists to counter inequality. Whether they work properly or not is irrelevant to why they exist.
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"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
I am a 97 pound weaking yet I demand to be hired as a lumberjack.
I am dumb as a box of rocks but I demand that NASA hire me because I am a Hispanic lesbian dwarf and it is my RIGHT to have any job I want.
I am a 97 pound weaking yet I demand to be hired as a lumberjack.
I am dumb as a box of rocks but I demand that NASA hire me because I am a Hispanic lesbian dwarf and it is my RIGHT to have any job I want.
What's your point? I wasn't debating whether such legislation is working in its current form, merely establishing why it exists at all. Legislation and activity which PREVENTS institutionalised racism and prejudice is a good thing. Its the way its handled that is at fault. Simply removing it completely would just put the people who suffer prejudice right back where they were before. Maligned and side-lined. Rather than getting all moody because you think someone is getting a better deal than you, maybe you should think more about fair and balanced ways that prejudice could be handled? With common sense and reason, instead of hyperbole and ridiculous ad nauseum examples.
For one, people can get bigger doing manual labour. Start at the bottom end and after a few months of lumberjacking anyone will be a lot better built.
NASA employs more than just Scientists and Wise Wizards. Sexuality should have no bearing on that anyway, nor should race. The only thing that might be an issue is the height, and I suspect there are things even a small stupid person could do at NASA.
Such legislation exists precisely because some prejudiced dickhead will decide that being Hispanic and a Lesbian has some bearing on your ability to work for them. (Which it clearly does not.)
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"There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart,
that you can't take part" [Mario Savo, 1964]
I'm not bothered at all if the Government wants to pass up on the bright white males in favor of quota-minority hires. If they want to hire Tanisha to engineer for NASA, that is fine by me.
That just makes it so much easier to kick in and destroy the whole incompetent and rotten structure when the counter-revolution comes.
The more white males keep getting shoved aside and seeing where they stand in Obama's America, the more it just opens their eyes and drives them in the right direction.
