God - Anyone believes in it

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"Become many and fill the earth, and subdue it." -- That's the Christian point of view? Population explosion?

I have to agree, since many Christians oppose birth control.

Do you know how unscientific and irrational that sounds? If that were to happen, what about the world's resources? What shall we do when we run out of forests? Run out of water? Look at the West. They're already in water wars, and you're talking about things like exponentially increasing the population.

Sooner or later, if we kept breeding like wildfire, we would have to find places for these people to live. Everything will eventually be destroyed to make way for the room of the human maggot.

- Ray M -

Natural disasters are evil? The last I heard, hurricanes cleared the air. That's not exactly evil. Floods cleanse waters. That's not exactly evil.

They're only evil when humans get in their way. When human houses and buildings are destroyed, they become evil.

- Ray M -

Yes, the reason why the Christian leaders condemn birth control and abortion is because they seek to increase their political power by increasing the number of their followers, and thus condemning birth control is a way of achieving this.

No birth control = more babies = more followers = more political power. That is the reason for it. It is very unethical.

I would like to note here that only the Catholic church forbids birth control.(besides the quiverfull movement) The Wikipedia article explains. When talking about christians, it would be wise to differentiate between Catholics and Protastents, as their beliefs are quite different. Thank you.

There are housing estates going up next my local river.
They are building on flood planes.

I consider this kind of stupidity to be evil. May a wall of water wash away these houses..

[Preferably before the lots get sold.]

I agree whole-heartedly with this. God is what you what it to be and where you want it to be. Perhaps god is just a life force with a name.

I question aspies that believe as well. How can someone so rational put so much faith into something so seemingly irrational? I don't mean to offend anyone here...just my opinion.

-Ann-

I was raised in a Fundamentalist Christian home. I was brain-washed by my parents into belief in god. It took the better part of 5 years of not going to church before I was a complete non-believer. This is the average amount of time that cult de-programming takes. I'm sure that many aspie christians are the same way. Born into it.

Everyone is born godless. It's the environmental factors that make you one religion or another. Like many of us, we were given a religion before we were able to make a choice on our own...similar to being given a name.

I didn't go to church (Methodist) until I was 11 years old. I attended church with relative frequency up until I was about 18 (I sung in the church choir so I was there most Sundays). Although I attended church, I never simply "believed." I never questioned anyone's beliefs or their reasons for attending church. My reasons were simply because I could sing in a good choir with a great director. After the choir began to fizzle out, I felt no need to find a new "church home." I also felt no need to continue attending church...any church. I had no reason to put my faith in the words that I heard when I already had my own faith. I had no room for it. I can believe in Jesus Christ because I believe that he was alive 2000 years ago. I believe he was enlightened, similar to other great minds (think Socrates, prophets, etc.), but was he the Son of God? Aren't we all god's children (according to christianity)? If we are all god's children, then sure, Jesus was the son of god too.

How stupid to build on flood plains. In my city, a developer scraped off the thin (but very necessary) layer of topsoil in one part of town. This included all the trees, plants, and animals that lived in this 10 square mile development because the city allowed them to do this. It was cheaper for the developer to mow everything down than to try to save our squatty, hardy, evergreen trees. It is heartbreaking every time I see the development, not only to me, but to others in my city as well. The sickening thing is, people are buying those houses. The earth has been scarred because of their actions. That is evil.

If god was even close to omnipotent, he would'nt need to be worshiped. Kings need worship because they're insecure about their power. God (Jehova) needs a WHOLE LOT of worship because he's non-existent.

I believe God is everything. He/she is everywhere. We are all little parts og God.

A pantheist. I love you guys. Just out of curiousity, what do you believe happens at death?

I believe you go to a dimention that fits your spiritual evolutionary state, where you meet likeminded souls, and learn about life. Eventually you will get reincarnated, and learn more wisdom, expanding your awareness. Pain is the best way to grow, as it confronts your views, and morals. We are here to learn moral lessons, and to grow in love for others, and ourselves. Karma is part of this I believe (what you send out, returns to you). Thereby when we evolve, our society will continue to evolve too.
The end goal is to get to the point where you become one with God again.

Okay enough bablin. lol

Hello,

Technically, Starchild is describing a philosophy known as "Panenthiesm" which is very different from Panthiesm. The latter is the belief that objects - living or inanimate - can themselves be gods. Panenthiesm suggests that the Divine is located in all of its creation - in each of us and everything around us. Specifically, neither of these are intrinsically religions - they are world views - paradigms of existence. This particular view is very compatible with Christian philosophy & doctrine and is exclusive to monothiestic religions like Christianity and Judiasm. It is most recently advocated by philosophers such as Whitehead and Hartshorne. Whitehead actually uses Quantum Mechanics to explain this concept - Whitehead, although not a household name, is the philosopher who first described quantum physics from a philosophical point of view and explained it to Einstien BEFORE he did the math that proved it. Not a lightweight by any means...

I tend to adhere to this understanding of the Divine myself - when reading Christian and Jewish scripture (late Jewish scripture anyway - the earliest texts seem to assume polythiesm (multiple gods) and only later declare monothiesm - about the time Jeremiah was written) with this perception of panenthiesm in mind, it brings to light some very interesting solutions to otherwise unsolvable problems.

I cannot think of a paradigm (and that's all any of these ideas we suggest are - just models) that defines the reality I experience more adequately.

Now, Starchild's follow-up post is a bit different and doesn't seem to fall into what I'm describing - although this goal of ultimate union with the divine wouldn't necessarily negate what I've stated and still seems to rely upon a form of monothiesm (unite with "god" - whatever SC might say god is). But the quote I list above is classic Panenthiesm.

Thoughts, comments, suggestions?

Sincerely,

DOULOS-XPISTOU

The problem is, what is "consciousness" or "spirit"? We don't know that. All we know so far that our brains are highly complex analog computers that "make up" our mental state. Maybe this is something we will never understand.

I can imagine and relate to gods, numerous advanced and long-lived beings that occasionally lend a hand to humanity.

I have a problem relating to a single ultra-powerful, omniscient (or even near-omniscient) being. If there was such a being, its presence would be so overpowering as to be inescapable. I don't see evidence of that, which is why I stick with my small-g gods instead.

yes i do. there is no reason for it and i have no proof god exists, but i still believe.