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OK, nambo, don't go off the deep end here.

No, I don't believe that God is the "worst evil torturer." God, by nature, is good. Therefore, relating to the experiences of the Egyptians, the exodus Israelites, and the conquered Canaanites, I'd say that God is the best, good torturer. Best, well, because He's God. Good, because God is good. Torturer--well, I'm just being honest about what happened. Honestly, you can't read the OT and NOT get that!

Compared with the Quran, I can't really say whether it paints God any better or worse than the OT because I haven't read the Quran enough. All I've read of the Quran is enough to know that it isn't friendly to outsiders.

I liked Yaweh a lot better when He was young and fiesty and buried Sodom and Gommorah in flaming sulphur and brimstone because the locals p*ssed Him off. What makes you think G-D is Good? G-D is G-D and he can do whatever He wants to do.

ruveyn

Last edited by ruveyn on 27 Dec 2010, 2:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Reading the replies here, It looks like everybody is getting the complete opposite idea that I was trying to portray.
I am in no way reffering to the God of the Christians and Jews as recorded in the Bible, Iam refering to what the Muslims write about God in the Quran, which is a book that obcesses over the tortures awaiting the unfaithfull.

That is essentially what I thought might be your position. But I have to say, it was not so clearly expressed, and not everyone - I have learned the hard way - will try to find the reasonable thing you are saying hidden among the unreasonable words you used. Communication is not easy, and language just gets in the way.

I was lucky enough to have a dissertation adviser who had a unique talent for understanding what I was TRYING to say and showing me how I SHOULD have said it.

Thanks Philologos.
My thoughts and explainations are allways so clear in my mind, they just dont seem to come out right.

Tell me about it. Ask how often I have to resort to diagrams.

I am generally better in writing than orally.

Well said.

Good is what God tells us Good is. Since morality is defined by God, God and good are inseparable. thus God is good by default.

^^^^^

I would be careful about those sorts of statements, someone will drop a Euthyphro Dilemma on you (which is what ruveyn was probably hinting at). In response to ruveyn, I think that God is good, therefor what he does is good. As to why I think that: 1 John 4:8, I would argue that being morally perfect is a requirement of being God and therefor God is good.