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03 Jan 2011, 10:37 pm

I stand by my explanation.

But if the shoe fits...


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03 Jan 2011, 10:38 pm

ikorack wrote:
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Yes, I was calling religious zealots dumb.


No, you targeted everyone who holds religious beliefs.


Hey! A great idea.



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03 Jan 2011, 11:00 pm

Sand wrote:
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Yes, I was calling religious zealots dumb.


No, you targeted everyone who holds religious beliefs.


Hey! A great idea.


Bigot.



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03 Jan 2011, 11:03 pm

ikorack wrote:
Sand wrote:
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MasterJedi wrote:
Yes, I was calling religious zealots dumb.


No, you targeted everyone who holds religious beliefs.


Hey! A great idea.


Bigot.


Agreed, this is why I usually call liberals a bunch of hypocrits. I have found liberals to be the most intolerant people I've come across generally.



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03 Jan 2011, 11:03 pm

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I'm not going to be picking any more fights. Y'all have your beliefs and I have mine and each of us knows we're right.


Remember this? :roll:



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03 Jan 2011, 11:08 pm

recanted. I can't stand by while people are brainwashed into delusional thinking. It's something your parents brought you up on and you should have figured out it was a fairy tale round about the same time you realized Santa Claus wasn't real.


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03 Jan 2011, 11:17 pm

You aren't going to convince anybody acting like that. I'm not going to abandon my principles just because you insult me. If you and Sand believe that there is someone out there who will completely abandon their convictions because yo called them stupid, perhaps it isn't the theists who have lost touch with reality.



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03 Jan 2011, 11:19 pm

okay, just believing in something that all of your senses tell you isn't there makes you completely sane and the brightest kid in the classroom, no?


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03 Jan 2011, 11:23 pm

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okay, just believing in something that all of your senses tell you isn't there makes you completely sane and the brightest kid in the classroom, no?


How can senses tell you something isn't there?



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03 Jan 2011, 11:26 pm

ikorack wrote:
Sand wrote:
ikorack wrote:
MasterJedi wrote:
Yes, I was calling religious zealots dumb.


No, you targeted everyone who holds religious beliefs.


Hey! A great idea.


Bigot.


Nyah, nyah. You're a bigot1



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03 Jan 2011, 11:26 pm

your senses aren't picking up anything so NOTHING'S THERE!

You can't see anything.
You can't hear anything.
You can't feel anything.
You can't smell anything.
And you can't taste anything.

Nothing is there.

"But what about the wind or gravity?"

You can feel gravity, you can observe its effects

The wind is air molecules being propelled by high and low pressure zones and thermal gradients.


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03 Jan 2011, 11:32 pm

So if I am in my room the outside world doesn't exist? If someone has never obtained knowledge of a part of the world is it gone? Your argument has no reason, not everything can be seen by humans. Just because someone hasn't perceived an object has no bearing on whether or not it exists.



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03 Jan 2011, 11:34 pm

Your argument fails because it assumes that I have never "sensed" God or seen a miracle. You could claim these are hallucinations/psychosomatic/coincidences/etc., but if my senses can lie to me about God, they can lie to me about anything. Thus I cannot trust my senses for anything and therefore it wouldn't make sense to renounce my convictions based on my senses.



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03 Jan 2011, 11:37 pm

ikorack wrote:
So if I am in my room the outside world doesn't exist? If someone has never obtained knowledge of a part of the world is it gone? Your argument has no reason, not everything can be seen by humans. Just because someone hasn't perceived an object has no bearing on whether or not it exists.


Which indicates you believe in everything you cannot sense in any manner. Doesn't that strike you just a teensy weensy bit as totally nuts?



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03 Jan 2011, 11:41 pm

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So if I am in my room the outside world doesn't exist? If someone has never obtained knowledge of a part of the world is it gone? Your argument has no reason, not everything can be seen by humans. Just because someone hasn't perceived an object has no bearing on whether or not it exists.


But....

you already know the outside world exists! You were just there! You've seen it!

I don't know how to respond to your feeling that god is there. It does sound delusional to me. I feel that you're talking to yourself and giving yourself far too little credit and freedoms.


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03 Jan 2011, 11:43 pm

MasterJedi wrote:
ikorack wrote:
So if I am in my room the outside world doesn't exist? If someone has never obtained knowledge of a part of the world is it gone? Your argument has no reason, not everything can be seen by humans. Just because someone hasn't perceived an object has no bearing on whether or not it exists.


But....

you already know the outside world exists! You were just there! You've seen it!

I don't know how to respond to your feeling that god is there. It does sound delusional to me. I feel that you're talking to yourself and giving yourself far too little credit and freedoms.


Do I know the outside world exists? have I seen it? If the feeling that God is there is delusional, who's to say what isn't delusional?