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TheKing
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29 Jan 2011, 1:01 pm

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@TheKing: Ah I wasn't aware there was an actual nomenclature for this concept thank you. I don't know if 'In-Vitro Meat' sounds much better then 'Stem Cell Meat' :lol: . I think the nascent industry will have to come up with a non-gag reflex name to have early success


well it emphasizes that it is NOT imitation meat it is for all intents and purposes actual 100% meat and tastes just like it i think that would be awesome to have a machine in your house to make you own meat lol


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31 Jan 2011, 12:59 pm

From a medical perspective, I am not yet persuaded that artificially grown tissue would be a safe component in the food supply.

One of the unspoken safety advantages of naturally produced animal food is that the animal provides a significant amount of protection against pathogens, and will remove itself entirely from the food chain should it die prematurely. Industrial food production has already diminished this security, and artificial food production might do so even more.

The key to hunger lies not, I suggest, in the use of new laboratory technology, but rather in making proper use of arable land that has gone untilled because of civil unrest, or a lack of infrastructure to get food from field to market in a timely fashion. Sub-saharan African has vast areas of arable land that have gone untilized, as does South America.


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31 Jan 2011, 7:54 pm

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From a medical perspective, I am not yet persuaded that artificially grown tissue would be a safe component in the food supply.

One of the unspoken safety advantages of naturally produced animal food is that the animal provides a significant amount of protection against pathogens, and will remove itself entirely from the food chain should it die prematurely. Industrial food production has already diminished this security, and artificial food production might do so even more.


Industrial food production for meat, using Concentrated Animal Feeding Operations (CAFO's) tend to give the animals lots and lots of anti-biotics due to infections spreading easily in the crampt and dirty worse than prison like living conditions that the animals live in. This is helping to create super virus, which creates the need for even more anti-biotics and affected the environment due to water run off.

Not to mention the growth hormones given the animals.

There is more as i just realised:

"The animal foods that make it to our plates contain dangerous chemicals including arsenic, ammonia, and mercury; drugs such as synthetic hormones and antibiotics that may cause drug-resistant infections; pesticides; and high levels of fecal matter."
http://www.carnism.com/meateaters.htm

Ammonia: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/31/us/31 ... gewanted=1
Drugs and chemicals in general: http://www.grist.org/article/2010-04-15 ... ful-residu
Anti biotics: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34614380/ns ... s_diseases
Pesticide build ups in meat: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... meat_N.htm
s**t, literally, as result of CAFOs: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... osser.html



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The key to hunger lies not, I suggest, in the use of new laboratory technology, but rather in making proper use of arable land that has gone untilled because of civil unrest, or a lack of infrastructure to get food from field to market in a timely fashion. Sub-saharan African has vast areas of arable land that have gone untilized, as does South America.


Agree with you there.

Should also add that I believe over consumption in developed nations and misappropriation is a big big problem too.

One the reasons I am Vegan is because of environmental reasons. It takes a lot more oil, water and land mass to produce meat and dairy than it does to eat a vegetable based diet. I am NOT saying people have to go that route but I do think it could help turn the tide on hunger and sustainability if people consumer less meat and dairy.


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31 Jan 2011, 10:58 pm

My big fear is that if we don't study genetic engineering, we'll study AI's and robotics. GE is hands down the lesser of two evils. I would hate to live in a world where downloading the electric processes of one's brain into a robot body was commonplace. Theseus's ship pardox for the loss!

I have no moral concerns about stem cell research so long as said cells aren't harvested from the bodies of the unborn. I once heard that amniotic fluid or something contained stem cells, albeit in trace amounts.