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Philologos
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05 Feb 2011, 9:44 pm

Like I often say, protoplasm got no faith - no access to the spiritual.



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05 Feb 2011, 11:00 pm

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I think Jesus is a pretty cool guy, he fights romans and doesn't afraid of anything.


He fought Romans?

Or were you being sarcastic?



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06 Feb 2011, 12:03 am

Can you see justification in theism? Logically and morally? Is a Christian intellectually warranted to be a Christian?


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06 Feb 2011, 12:36 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
I think Jesus is a pretty cool guy, he fights romans and doesn't afraid of anything.

:lmao:


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06 Feb 2011, 6:38 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
I think Jesus is a pretty cool guy, he fights romans and doesn't afraid of anything.


Did he have a secret identity and did he go about with a cape flying against the Romans?

Look! Up in the Sky! It's a bird! No, it's a plane! No! It's Son Of God!

Able to vanquish Legions! Pylums and Gladiuses bounce off him! He is Son of God!

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06 Feb 2011, 6:43 am

He got tied up and whipped while naked, so at least he had fun ;)

He also liked trampolines:

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06 Feb 2011, 6:53 am

I wonder if Jesus died of lack of oxygen once he hit outer space.



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06 Feb 2011, 10:36 am

The "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" idea seems that it might have merit. So many churches and grand cathedrals built, all for the purpose of worshipping him. If we remain obedient and worshipful towards him, then he might just let us into Heaven, where we will be obliged to spend eternity worshipping him. If not, it's the lake of sulphur.



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06 Feb 2011, 10:40 am

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06 Feb 2011, 12:35 pm

I had wondered about that passage too, and traditional portrayals of Jesus.

I think that there may have been some who regarded Jesus as a Nazirite, and Nazirites did not cut their hair.

Maybe Jesus really did keep his hair cut short.

Or, maybe fashions changed from the time of Jesus to the time of Paul. In the 1950s, hair fashions changed radically, from crew cuts to super-long hair. Now, short hair is more stylish, with long-haired men simply making a fashion statement.



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07 Feb 2011, 1:49 am

pandabear wrote:
The "Narcissistic Personality Disorder" idea seems that it might have merit. So many churches and grand cathedrals built, all for the purpose of worshipping him. If we remain obedient and worshipful towards him, then he might just let us into Heaven, where we will be obliged to spend eternity worshipping him. If not, it's the lake of sulphur.


You're talking about the legendary exaggerated image of Jesus.

I'm talking about the real character that was alive around 2000 years ago.

But good point.



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07 Feb 2011, 5:43 am

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I think that the only point on which everyone agrees is that Jesus was a Jewish Galilean whom Roman soldiers crucified during the first century.

A lot of businesses were built, wars fought, and blood shed over various things attributed to this Galilean.

What do you think about Jesus, personally? Is there anything that you would have done differently if you were he? Do you whole-heartedly approve of everything he did, or is there anything that you wish he would or wouldn't have done?


I don't think about Jesus too much. What is Jesus to me, or I to Jesus?

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09 Feb 2011, 6:47 pm

ruveyn wrote:

I don't think about Jesus too much. What is Jesus to me, or I to Jesus?

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12 Feb 2011, 7:23 am

He did good work...

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12 Feb 2011, 7:57 am

MCalavera wrote:
Imagine a guy coming up to you and saying he is from God (whom he refers to as his Father) and that he is the way to heaven (and so on).

That is easy for me to imagine ... just as if you were to tell me your father had sent you to let me know how I could be adopted into your family.

As I see things, he was just as mortal as you and me and he simply lived obediently and showed us (who might care to learn of it) "they way, the truth and the life" made possible for us by the heavenly Father of all.

Many Christians seem to me to make a big mess of all that, but I am relatively sure things are just about that simple. Salvation awaits those who endure to the end, and right fellowship and worship make that possible.


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12 Feb 2011, 9:53 am

leejosepho wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
Imagine a guy coming up to you and saying he is from God (whom he refers to as his Father) and that he is the way to heaven (and so on).

That is easy for me to imagine ... just as if you were to tell me your father had sent you to let me know how I could be adopted into your family.

As I see things, he was just as mortal as you and me and he simply lived obediently and showed us (who might care to learn of it) "they way, the truth and the life" made possible for us by the heavenly Father of all.

Many Christians seem to me to make a big mess of all that, but I am relatively sure things are just about that simple. Salvation awaits those who endure to the end, and right fellowship and worship make that possible.


Unfortunately, Jesus in the Bible (especially in John) did not preach the way you believe.

In that verse Jesus clearly said that no one comes to the Father but through him.

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Also, in John 3:18, it says:
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

According to the Biblical Jesus, faith in Jesus is necessary for salvation.