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23 Mar 2011, 8:01 am

I am a left-wing radical pro-education, pro-intellectualism, anti-death penalty, anti-prison, pro-humanism, pro-abortion and pro-darwinism.

I believe in a strong government to ensure welfare, education and high taxation to finance these things.



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23 Mar 2011, 8:36 am

i am a humanitarian with anarchist tendencies.



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23 Mar 2011, 8:38 am

i am a humanitarian with anarchist tendencies.



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23 Mar 2011, 9:29 am

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i am a humanitarian with anarchist tendencies.


Mostly, I don't give a sh*t. I believe rational selfishness is the path to follow.

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23 Mar 2011, 1:08 pm

I'm a liberal progressive.
I was raised in a union house hold, where there had been strong Democratic party allegiance. I've come to embrace the values of the American political left of compassion for those without power; whether it's a matter of siding with labor concerns, civil rights for ethnic, religious, or sexual minorities, or the rights of women. And if that means spending tax money on social programs, then so be it. I believe government should exist to help people, not just stand idly by, or worse, intentionally hurt them. On top of that, I stand by a political philosophy which doesn't shun intellectualism as the past time of the elite, or isn't swayed by religious literalism when it comes to science.
I was also raised in a devout Lutheran household. Because of my mainline protestant upbringing, I find my political concerns conducive with those of my politics, with the exception of the abortion issue. And even then, I find myself holding most of the pro-life movement in contempt, as they tend to care for you before your born, and after you die, but not in between. That is a total contradiction of both the political and religious beliefs I was raised with.
These days, finding myself growing further and further away from my working class roots (even though I've done more than my share of manual labor), I identify more with the likes of bohemians, beatniks, and hippies - artsy intellectual types who take life at a slower pace, and don't mind having squat.

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23 Mar 2011, 4:12 pm

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Economic Policy

- Maintain a countercyclical fiscal policy - deficit spending in times of bust and generating surpluses in times of boom.
- Institute an international financial transactions tax
- Institute an international carbon tax and use some of the revenue to give back tax credits and rebates to the bottom 90% of income earners
-Maintain a system of progressive income taxation.
- Aim for an unemployment rate nearer to 4%, accept more inflation than traditional NAIRU advocates would like.
- Institute Pigovian taxes on tobacco and unhealthy foods, using the revenue to subsidize healthier choices
- Institute a "Green Industrial Policy" aimed at building up a green manufacturing sector in Canada and the United States, with various tax incenitives.
- Use taxes and royalties gained from natural resources, especially petrol fuels, to fund the Green Industrial Policy (to avoid the resource curse or Dutch Disease).
- Re-establish Petro-Canada.


I have trouble with the financial transaction tax, partly because it penalizes those of us (Canada and Germany) who had the good sense to keep a grip on our banking sector.
I also have concerns about setting up too many segregated pools of money (i.e. your approach on natural resource revenue). The EI account has been a source of questionable government accounting, and more pools like that create more unfunded pressures from the consolidated revenue fund.
I don't see a legitimate role for a Crown Corporation in the fuel marketplace.

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Social Policy

- Give every man, woman, and child a $14,000 partial basic income and anyone with serious, significant disabilities a $25,000 basic income. This would replace all existing welfare systems. For the psychologically ill, some support workers may be neccessary to check up on people.
- Legalize Cannabis and replace prison sentences with detoxificiation centres as the legal recourse for doing illicit drugs.
- Legalize same-sex marriage if not already legal in the country this platform is being implemented in. Likewise with divorce and adoption.
- Implement the Kelowna Accord.
-Base the Assembly of First Nations inside the Parliament buildings of Canada and have it replace the Department of Northern and Indian Affairs.
- Oppose bullying in schools and be somewhat more lenient on studenets who "fought back" (try to be proportional in punishment for trangressing playground rules).
- Maintain a multicultural society.
- Allow for free migration into and out of a country, with the exception of criminals.
- Maintain a preventive and rehabilitative set of programs


Guaranteed Annual Income is an interesting policy, but I don't know if we are "there" yet.

You proposal for the AFN runs contrary to the Inherent Right Policy. The AFN is not now, and never has been a governmental instution, and creating it as an instrument of government would fundamentally alter its character. Furthermore, First Nations have treaty rights with the Crown, not with the AFN, and the AFN cannot stand in the place of the Crown for those purposes.

I favour self-government (along with the Kelowna Accord) as an approach to aboriginal issues.

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The Judicial System and Civil liberties

- Oversee all muncipial, provincial, and RCMP cops with independent pannels established to look into alleged abuses.
- DO NOT pay crown prosecutors on the basis of conviction rates.
- Ensure that all defense attorneys are public attorneys.
- Soften up hate speech laws so as to only apply to very public places like high schools, allow hateful organizations (Fascist or Stalinist) to meet, organize and demonstrate on private property or on the internet. Don't censor the actions, but *censure* the actions and sponsor responses.
- Respond to terrorism with ordinary law enforcement, not martial law and extra-judicial torture.


I prefer a 'Lexicare' approach under which lawyers, like doctors, remain private contractors, but basic access to legal services related to criminal, family and administrative law are covered, to some extent.

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Labour Policy

-Require shop-floor works councils in any firm with more than 15 employees
- Require that half the board of directors in any corporation be elected by the corporation's rank and file workers.
- If a given firm has sufficient monopsony power to drive down wages, institute minimum wage laws.
- If in America, repeal Taft-Hartley.


Here I have to firmly disagree. The imposition of "works councils" is a violation of freedom of association rights. There should be no barriers to collectivisation, but neither should it be mandated.

I certainly disagree about your proposal on directors. The role of corporate directors is to represent the interests of shareholders. Unless workers own the company's share capital, they should have no voice in the election of directors--when they do own share capital, then they should have the same privileges as other shareholders of their class.

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Education

- Have the Provinces and muncipialities pay for elementary, junior high, and high schools with property taxes or sales taxes
- Incorporate elements of the Montessori method into elementary, junior high, and high schools. Don't hyper-focus on teaching for the test.
- With revenues from a financial transaction tax, subsidize education up to five years of post-secondary school for every citizen


Again, too many segregated piles of money. We already have primary and secondary education free at the point of delivery, and all publicly funded post-secondary education is subsidized (though not entirely, I grant you).

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Governance and Constitution

- Elect members to the House of Commons on the basis of a Single Transferable Vote system, abolish the Senate
- Remove "the supremacy of God" from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms
- Make Canada a Commonwealth Republic where the Governor General is elected


Personally, I like STV. But it will never fly, because the electorate don't like it. Ontario and BC both made attempts that went nowhere. MMPR is a flawed, but palatable approach.

I disagree with abolishing the Senate. While that can work in a compact nation like New Zealand, in a federation you need something to stand in the way of Ontario's bloc of membership in the House of Commons. I would favour an elected Senate, within certain limits.

I do not agree about an elected Head of State. That sets up the potential for unworkable situations where both the Prime Minister and the Governor General have opposing electoral mandates. In my view Parliament (and more specifically the House of Commons) is supreme, and the Governor-General's powers should only come into play where the confidence of the House is lost, or is being abused by the Prime Minister of the day.

I would, however, favour indirect election of a Head of State, such as occurs in the Indian model.

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International Relations

- Orient Canada's Armed Forces back to their role as mainly a peace-keeping force
- Replace the General Assembly with a United Nations Parliamentary Assembly (elected)
- Strengthen the International Labour Organization
- Ammend WTO rules to allow for more infant industry protectionism, especially for underdeveloped countries
- Enact a multicultural, secular, one-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (basically, merge the "Occupied Territories" into Israel and give their inhabitants equal rights as citizens of the new state as Israelis have).


I can't see my way clear to agreeing with you about hte UNGA. The European Parliament has demonstrated itself to be a difficult beast, and this with representatives from countries in which free and fair elections are generally the norm. Do you really want 1/6th of members of a UNPA being elected within the borders of the PRC?

A one-state solution in Israel-Palestine is simply not on. I denies Palestinians their own state, which is, I suggest, a necessary precondition to peaceful coexistence.

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Other

-Subsidize low-income housing
- If landlords have been shown to abuse the power a monopolistically competitive market gives them, enact second generation rent controls.


The problem with too rigid rent controls is that it tends to destroy the availability of rental property. Landlords either convert to strata, or destroy and rebuild in order to cancel existing obligations.


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23 Mar 2011, 4:55 pm

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I have trouble with the financial transaction tax, partly because it penalizes those of us (Canada and Germany) who had the good sense to keep a grip on our banking sector.


For one, I don't think Canada's banking sector is as good as people think. Sure, thanks to a record number of overseers IN the banks it was a bit more cautious, but there's still various problems. Household debt is rising. Speculation still needs to be controlled and disincentized with taxes.

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I also have concerns about setting up too many segregated pools of money (i.e. your approach on natural resource revenue). The EI account has been a source of questionable government accounting, and more pools like that create more unfunded pressures from the consolidated revenue fund.


Specifiying rules for where the money is to be used can be set up.

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I don't see a legitimate role for a Crown Corporation in the fuel marketplace.


I do. To provide a counterbalance to the oligopolistic market power of Petrol corporations.

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Guaranteed Annual Income is an interesting policy, but I don't know if we are "there" yet.


"Yet" is whenever the political willpower is mustered. The more advocates, the more willpower.

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You proposal for the AFN runs contrary to the Inherent Right Policy. The AFN is not now, and never has been a governmental instution, and creating it as an instrument of government would fundamentally alter its character. Furthermore, First Nations have treaty rights with the Crown, not with the AFN, and the AFN cannot stand in the place of the Crown for those purposes.


I'll perhaps backpeddle on that policy.

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I prefer a 'Lexicare' approach under which lawyers, like doctors, remain private contractors, but basic access to legal services related to criminal, family and administrative law are covered, to some extent.


Perhaps I'd support something where you can choose you're own lawyer but all lawyers are paid by a single source (the government).

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Here I have to firmly disagree. The imposition of "works councils" is a violation of freedom of association rights. There should be no barriers to collectivisation, but neither should it be mandated.


That'll be for the courts to decide, but it's flied in Germany. I really don't see that as a problem, workplaces already come with various organizations one contracts to associate with.

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I certainly disagree about your proposal on directors. The role of corporate directors is to represent the interests of shareholders. Unless workers own the company's share capital, they should have no voice in the election of directors--when they do own share capital, then they should have the same privileges as other shareholders of their class.


Boards of directors are a notorious blindspot in the corporate bureaucracy and in many instances have been appointed by top executives. In modern marketplaces there is a lot of shtort-termism in the thinking of publically traded company and this causes big firms to increasingly pay out profits as dividends. To counterbalance this pernicious trend, it is neccessary that the stakeholders of a company - the strongest of which are workers - have a say in its organization. Besides, have the firm would still be governed by transient shareholders. Given the concentration of power, the operations of businesses are in the public interest.

Germany seems to have done well whith this model.

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Again, too many segregated piles of money. We already have primary and secondary education free at the point of delivery, and all publicly funded post-secondary education is subsidized (though not entirely, I grant you).


Much of what I said was just a restating of the status quo as I believe that many schools are funded by property taxes (and some provicnial money - PST).

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Personally, I like STV. But it will never fly, because the electorate don't like it. Ontario and BC both made attempts that went nowhere. MMPR is a flawed, but palatable approach.


A few defeats after an intense PR campaign against it doesn't prove that it's inherently kryptonite.

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I would, however, favour indirect election of a Head of State, such as occurs in the Indian model.


Perhaps that or something like the Irish model when electing the head of state. Of course, the head of state wouldn't have as much power as the head of government.

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I can't see my way clear to agreeing with you about hte UNGA. The European Parliament has demonstrated itself to be a difficult beast, and this with representatives from countries in which free and fair elections are generally the norm. Do you really want 1/6th of members of a UNPA being elected within the borders of the PRC?


I don't really see those problems as fatal, especially given that even as a powerful entity the UN still wouldn't have nearly as much authority as the national governments.

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A one-state solution in Israel-Palestine is simply not on. I denies Palestinians their own state, which is, I suggest, a necessary precondition to peaceful coexistence.


Palestinians are coming around to a One State solution. Furthermore, with various permanent Israeli settlements enroaching and expanding into the West Bank, a Two State Solution is impossible and stupid.

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The problem with too rigid rent controls is that it tends to destroy the availability of rental property. Landlords either convert to strata, or destroy and rebuild in order to cancel existing obligations.


Various second generation rent controls are not rigid and have rules that prevent condo conversions. Furthermore, rent controls would only be implemented when a landlord is exerting the power monopolistic competition gives them.

Arnott, Richard, and Masahiro Igarashi. 2000. Rent Control, Mismatch Costs, and Search Efficiency. Regional Science and Urban Economics 30: 249-288.
^ This study, for instance, demonstrates the Rent controls can be beneficial in a monopolistically competitive market, for instance.


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23 Mar 2011, 6:45 pm

I'm wonked out on the party system. I don't see myself as fitting into the system. I come from a family that picked one side or the other and argued their merits with gusto. I think both sides have issues that I don't feel represent who I am. I've read alot in my life and I feel like they bank on the fact that people don't realize that alot of these ideas have been tried before and failed. I would describe myself as socially conservative in my behavior, but I believe the Republican party does poorly on social issues and is for those who have money. I have no home party and I'm ok with that.



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24 Mar 2011, 12:05 pm

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For one, I don't think Canada's banking sector is as good as people think. Sure, thanks to a record number of overseers IN the banks it was a bit more cautious, but there's still various problems. Household debt is rising. Speculation still needs to be controlled and disincentized with taxes.


I think that you are mixing apples and oranges here. A financial transaction tax is not going to diminish consumers rapaciousness for credit. I'm not even sure that it will cure banks' risk management approach of packaging up and selling debt. That fix will have to come from monetary policy--but the risk is that a significant drop in consumer spending due to interest rates will cause more damage.

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Specifiying rules for where the money is to be used can be set up.


I'm not saying that segregated pots of public money can't be done--I'm saying that it shouldn't be done unless there is a clear trust-beneficiary component (as with EI and CPP). Segregated pots of public money take spending discretion away from government, which means that government has less ability to meet emerging needs. This tends to encourage the kinds of practices where government "borrows" from the surplus in the EI account to balance the budget, or creates pots of money outside of the budget process to preserve spending freedom.

Far better to create the legislative mandate to fulfil the stated purpose, and then hold government to account for the public money being used to accomplish that mandate.

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I do. To provide a counterbalance to the oligopolistic market power of Petrol corporations.


In a position of market unfairness, I think government's proper function is to step in an regulate the marketplace directly. Government's hand should be seen clearly, and for what it is. Government interference should not be disguised as "just another corner gas station."

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"Yet" is whenever the political willpower is mustered. The more advocates, the more willpower.


Oh, I think the political will for GAI could be mustered--interestingly it can be mustered on both the far left (as progressive social policy) and the far right (as a rationalization of dozens of overlapping, ineffective handouts). But we will have to make some significant changes to tax policy (For tax purposes, will GAI dollars be the first dollars--taxed minimally, or the last dollars (taxed heavily)? What will be the approach to clawback?) and to transfer payment policy (Will these transfers go out in whole or net of projected clawback? Are there preferable transfer mechanisms?)

When you are talking about a billion dollars of transfers per week, you need to get the policy framework right.

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Boards of directors are a notorious blindspot in the corporate bureaucracy and in many instances have been appointed by top executives. In modern marketplaces there is a lot of shtort-termism in the thinking of publically traded company and this causes big firms to increasingly pay out profits as dividends. To counterbalance this pernicious trend, it is neccessary that the stakeholders of a company - the strongest of which are workers - have a say in its organization. Besides, have the firm would still be governed by transient shareholders. Given the concentration of power, the operations of businesses are in the public interest.

Germany seems to have done well whith this model.


I don't deny that the proxy mechanism has put a great deal of control in the hands of officers--but we are increasingly seeing shareholder revolts, and institutional investors (like my pension plan, and the mutual funds in my RRSP) exercising greater and greater influence over director elections.

Profits are an entitlement of shareholders--they are the ones who have taken the financial risk, it is they who are entitled to the financial reward. (And let's not forget that workers' pensions are some of the largest institutional investors who are reaping those rewards. Hamstring those pension funds and all you are doing is selling out pensions). Workers are entitled to a fair wage and safe working conditions, and they are entitled to bargain collectively to ensure that they receive these. But it is fundamentally wrong to give workers both collective bargaining rights, and control over the net proceeds of the shareholder's investment.

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Much of what I said was just a restating of the status quo as I believe that many schools are funded by property taxes (and some provicnial money - PST).


It likely varies considerably by province. In BC all public school and post secondary funding comes out of provincial revenues.

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A few defeats after an intense PR campaign against it doesn't prove that it's inherently kryptonite.


STV will always be more confusing to the voter than MMPR. If Parliament, or the Legislature was dealing with this alone, then I could see it happening (the way it did in Australia). But so long as electoral reform is going to be decided by referendum, I still believe STV to be a non-starter.

I can't speak for the Ontario situation, but it BC it was incredibly poorly understood, and did worse--not better--the second time around.

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I don't really see those problems as fatal, especially given that even as a powerful entity the UN still wouldn't have nearly as much authority as the national governments.


So replace a toothless talking shop with a toothless, elected talking shop? Sounds like a waste of time, money and effort to me. If it doesn't have power, it doesn't need to be elected. If it does have power, it's doomed ab initio.

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Palestinians are coming around to a One State solution. Furthermore, with various permanent Israeli settlements enroaching and expanding into the West Bank, a Two State Solution is impossible and stupid.


You have a different lens than I. I don't see any apetite among even moderate Palestinians for a one state solution. As for Israeli settlements, I hold the view that Israel fully expects to give these up, and demand significant cash compensation for transferring this infrastructure to a new Palestinian state. The Americans and the Saudis will likely be held to ransom on this one. After all, if the Israelis and the Palestinians can come to an agreement on the rest, cutting a cheque will be easy pressure.

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Various second generation rent controls are not rigid and have rules that prevent condo conversions. Furthermore, rent controls would only be implemented when a landlord is exerting the power monopolistic competition gives them.


I don't deny that they can be--but the greater the number of barriers you put in the way of a landlord reaping a return on his investment, the easier it is for him to decide that the lot is more valuable as parking than as rental housing. You might be able to stop strata conversion, but you can't stop demolition. At some point the landlord simply walks away and leaves the building to rot.

There needs to be a balance point where government ensures that there is a fair market for both sides--tenants and landlords alike. It's all well and good to claim that controls would only be implemented when monopolistic power--but that trigger is too vague. Far better to break up the monopoly.


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rocknrollslc wrote:
i am a humanitarian with anarchist tendencies.


Mostly, I don't give a sh*t. I believe rational selfishness is the path to follow.

ruveyn


what do you mean by "i don't give a sh*t?"

sounds like two VERY different statements



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rocknrollslc wrote:
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rocknrollslc wrote:
i am a humanitarian with anarchist tendencies.


Mostly, I don't give a sh*t. I believe rational selfishness is the path to follow.

ruveyn


what do you mean by "i don't give a sh*t?"

sounds like two VERY different statements


I am generally indifferent to what other people do or think unless it portends harm to me and mine.

I am too busy living my life to get overly involved in the lives of others.

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My response to "what are your political beliefs?" is always "They will either baffle or anger you."

I don't think it is an AS thing. Anyone who has actually thought about things will likely come to conclusions which the majority find deeply weird.

In my case, it is made doubly weird by my wariness of any strongly held beliefs, even in myself.


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rocknrollslc wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
rocknrollslc wrote:
i am a humanitarian with anarchist tendencies.


Mostly, I don't give a sh*t. I believe rational selfishness is the path to follow.

ruveyn


what do you mean by "i don't give a sh*t?"

sounds like two VERY different statements


I am generally indifferent to what other people do or think unless it portends harm to me and mine.

I am too busy living my life to get overly involved in the lives of others.

ruveyn


Ah I see now. Sounds cool.



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My response to "what are your political beliefs?" is always "They will either baffle or anger you."

I don't think it is an AS thing. Anyone who has actually thought about things will likely come to conclusions which the majority find deeply weird.

In my case, it is made doubly weird by my wariness of any strongly held beliefs, even in myself.


This is actually a very good point; perhaps I'll use something like this from now on. :wink:



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28 Mar 2011, 4:53 pm

whoa ruveyn, totally just saw that your statement read "selfishness" instead of selflessness.

yiiiiiikes..



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rocknrollslc wrote:
whoa ruveyn, totally just saw that your statement read "selfishness" instead of selflessness.

yiiiiiikes..


you read it right the first time. I live for my own sake that the well being of those I hold near and dear (primarily my family). All others take a lesser position in my priority scheme.

Rational selfishness is my modality.

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