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20 Apr 2011, 2:23 pm

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As for lazy college kids voting for Obama, Obama also won college graduates and won those with advanced degrees by an even wider margin. Obama won a great many demographics. That's why he is, you know, POTUS.

If you want to read something that is "anti-freedom", check out the enhanced emergency manager powers passed in Michigan a few months ago that allow the Republican governor to replace municipal governments in the state with hand-picked emergency managers, break union contracts, declare a municipality bankrupt, etc. It removes all power from local elected officials and replaces them with Republican managers. It may be a good idea, but democratic? Not so much.

It was just invoked last week on a small town and that's just the beginning of it.


I'm honestly surprised anyone still lived in Michigan for anyone to be voted in as Governor in the first place, last I heard the economy has been a disaster in that state for nearly two decades.



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20 Apr 2011, 10:02 pm

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As for lazy college kids voting for Obama, Obama also won college graduates and won those with advanced degrees by an even wider margin. Obama won a great many demographics. That's why he is, you know, POTUS.

If you want to read something that is "anti-freedom", check out the enhanced emergency manager powers passed in Michigan a few months ago that allow the Republican governor to replace municipal governments in the state with hand-picked emergency managers, break union contracts, declare a municipality bankrupt, etc. It removes all power from local elected officials and replaces them with Republican managers. It may be a good idea, but democratic? Not so much.

It was just invoked last week on a small town and that's just the beginning of it.


This Rethuglican governor also raised taxes on retired state workers with fixed incomes as low as $20,000 while giving others tax breaks.



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20 Apr 2011, 11:04 pm

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So, how much charity do you give, and to what causes? Political causes, I suspect, which aren't charity.

Last year I gave $2625 to charity. Usually it's at least twice that much, but my income tanked last year due to the Obama recession so I couldn't afford to give as much.

I donate mainly to:

MIT
Smithsonian Institution
Pine Street Inn (a homeless shelter)
World Wildlife Fund
Environmental Defense Fund

Political contributions are not charity and are not included in the amount above (unless you count MIT, which is starting to seem like a leftist political institution based on how it indoctrinates its students).

How much did you give to charity last year?



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21 Apr 2011, 12:24 am

marshall wrote:
simon_says wrote:
As for lazy college kids voting for Obama, Obama also won college graduates and won those with advanced degrees by an even wider margin. Obama won a great many demographics. That's why he is, you know, POTUS.

If you want to read something that is "anti-freedom", check out the enhanced emergency manager powers passed in Michigan a few months ago that allow the Republican governor to replace municipal governments in the state with hand-picked emergency managers, break union contracts, declare a municipality bankrupt, etc. It removes all power from local elected officials and replaces them with Republican managers. It may be a good idea, but democratic? Not so much.

It was just invoked last week on a small town and that's just the beginning of it.


This Rethuglican governor also raised taxes on retired state workers with fixed incomes as low as $20,000 while giving others tax breaks.


It's called trying to attract businesses to move to Michigan so there is an economy with Jobs so people can actually find work. Living in cardboard boxes may be the liberal idea of utopia, but it is not the average American's idea of decent living.



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21 Apr 2011, 3:09 am

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That and the New York Times trying to be relevant, which they lost relevancy in 2008-2009 at the latest.


The NYT once regard as a Journal of Record turns out to be a high class fancy yellow journalism rag.

Once can dress a whore up but that will not alter the underlying morals of the wench.

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21 Apr 2011, 10:56 am

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
simon_says wrote:
As for lazy college kids voting for Obama, Obama also won college graduates and won those with advanced degrees by an even wider margin. Obama won a great many demographics. That's why he is, you know, POTUS.

If you want to read something that is "anti-freedom", check out the enhanced emergency manager powers passed in Michigan a few months ago that allow the Republican governor to replace municipal governments in the state with hand-picked emergency managers, break union contracts, declare a municipality bankrupt, etc. It removes all power from local elected officials and replaces them with Republican managers. It may be a good idea, but democratic? Not so much.

It was just invoked last week on a small town and that's just the beginning of it.


This Rethuglican governor also raised taxes on retired state workers with fixed incomes as low as $20,000 while giving others tax breaks.


It's called trying to attract businesses to move to Michigan so there is an economy with Jobs so people can actually find work. Living in cardboard boxes may be the liberal idea of utopia, but it is not the average American's idea of decent living.


Republicans are supposed to be against raising taxes period. So raising taxes on retired people only taking in $20,000 a year is a-okay? Obviously this guy is only against raising taxes if it's rich people having their taxes raised. :roll:

Retired people on minimal pensions are to be used as human sacrifices to the appease the corporate gods, the almighty creators of jobs? WTF?



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21 Apr 2011, 11:00 am

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I'm honestly surprised anyone still lived in Michigan for anyone to be voted in as Governor in the first place, last I heard the economy has been a disaster in that state for nearly two decades.


I don't live there if that's what you are implying. They apparently sent smoke signals out of the state so that the world would know.

As to the meaning of your post? We'll leave that for future researchers. You never know what they might piece together.



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21 Apr 2011, 11:22 am

simon_says wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I'm honestly surprised anyone still lived in Michigan for anyone to be voted in as Governor in the first place, last I heard the economy has been a disaster in that state for nearly two decades.


I don't live there if that's what you are implying. They apparently sent smoke signals out of the state so that the world would know.

As to the meaning of your post? We'll leave that for future researchers. You never know what they might piece together.


Didn't the state of Michigan lose an electoral vote?



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21 Apr 2011, 3:19 pm

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2. More importantly, the NYT seeks to tag the unempathetic as individualists (AKA libertarians). But this doesn't make sense. The lazy, unempathetic college student who flunks out then expects "society" - a collective - to provide for said college kid is not an individualist. He/she is a collectivist. He/she wants a handout from others. That is unempathetic and collectivist.

Furthermore, the new college kids voted almost unanimously for Obama, a collectivist, largely because they liked his policies such as "government" paying for their medical care (giving them free stuff that was stolen from older people). In other words, they voted for a collectivist for non-empathic reasons (they didn't empathize with the taxpayers getting stolen from, or those who wanted to have free choice in their medical decisions). Hence, the claim that college kids are increasingly individualistic is demonstrated to be false by looking at their typically 'political left'/statist voting record.

So, the theory that college kids are increasingly individualistic and non-empathic is likely half true. They may well be losing empathy, but this would be a sign that are increasingly collectivist, wanting handouts to finance their lazy lifestyle. On the other hand. the individualist represents the highest of empathy - the person who wishes to produce for himself, not leech off others and deny them free choice.

My god you irritate me. People opt for Universal Healthcare (which the USA won't really have under Obama's plan, of course) because they are empathetic and care about people dying because they can't afford ultra-expensive health insurance or have been dropped by their insurance company after they got sick. It is an individualist who lacks empathy, caring only about themselves.

What is needed in a society is a balance between individualism and collectivism--you are individualistic enough to allow people to be free to do as they will in their day to day lives, but still coordinate their efforts for the good of the community, country, and world. In the USSR we saw an extreme of collectivism that was quite unpleasant. In the USA we see another extreme (well, not quite as extreme) which is not quite as unpleasant, but still in many ways repulsive.

Also, taxation is not theft. Everyone has to pay their part to make society function. Interestingly, I read yesterday in New Scientist that studies have shown that countries with more equal incomes (such as Sweden) have fewer social problems. And it's been known for years that the Nordic countries have the world's highest levels of happiness, despite being very "collectivist" by your standards (aka: have a large welfare state). Just saying.



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21 Apr 2011, 4:12 pm

AstroGeek wrote:
And it's been known for years that the Nordic countries have the world's highest levels of happiness, despite being very "collectivist" by your standards (aka: have a large welfare state). Just saying.

Your assertion that they have "the world's highest levels of happiness" seems unlikely given the high levels of suicide in scandinavia relative to, say, places like the U.S.



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21 Apr 2011, 6:28 pm

@psychologist: I suppose that is true. But I've seen maps showing surveys of national happiness levels and those countries tend to be among the top scorers.