Pantheism/Deism

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Supposedly one of the techniques is that you'll find him at the bottom of a bottle of Blackhouse.


I don't know that its necessarily that nonchalant? Who's to say that the universe doesn't have a consciousness? The general idea that the bible gives of God being all-knowing, omniscient, and completely beyond our depth to understand...when you chew those components over logically, indicate that he/she/it would be the totality, the sum of everything, both the plemora and the sea of shards. Coming from a contemporary Christian or Muslim view I could see the outlook as somewhat offensive, to a Gnostic though (particularly someone thinking along Valentinian lines), probably not so much.

I think your claim is also where many atheists insert magic and fairy dust as necessary elements to 'God'. Those who are willing to look at exactly what's around them, the personality and physics that the universe seems to have, and say that if they believe in God then they are seeing a perfect show of his/her/its personality - its sound logic, at least for those who haven't made the arbitrary ruling that a theism/deism stripped of its original anthropoligy is inherently inferior (which really comes down to a debate of which came first - an embedded sense of spirituality in the human psyche or organized religion? I'm willing to bet the former).

Oh yes, in much the same way it was "sound logic" to imbibe rocks and the wind with spirits, and think the moon made of cheese.

Except that its a blank and vacuous existence already. I get it that people would be angered if someone's theism necessarily involves racism, homophobia, or something else that has a tangible effect on their own freedoms that don't hold up to scientific or logical scrutiny. On the other hand its really all a big question mark. No one knows, people can guess at what's there or isn't but that's not to say that once you come to an opinion that you're not allowed to go with it. At the same time admittedly people have needs and will collapse back on theism if they're having a hard time waking up every morning and going on with the notion that nothing means anything. I think that's also where the 'its all about hell' or 'its all about fear of death' people get it wrong - its fear of not finding a means to 'live' as they'd want by telling themselves that there's nothing here. It seems factually dubious, then again that's why I tend atheistic - I understand why people need it, I myself though understand why I would choose not to go that route. That's still not to say that reality couldn't completely surprise us one of these days soon so, I try to keep my own assertions somewhat humble. Admittedly no one knows what's going on.

Sure, but then nothing in Scripture ever suggests any theist's beliefs or practices should ever be forced upon anyone else.


Yes.

well, if you would happen to be a naturalistic pantheist........