Unemployment in the US

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Please translate that into plain English.

ruveyn

(1) What's a "necessity" and what's a "luxury?" As in, I personally could live without cable TV, but you'll take away my high speed internet only "from my cold, dead hands." But to someone like my father, who is absolutely clueless about computers, the exact opposite situation would arise.

(2) Simply because you assign no value to something does not mean it has none. If nothing else, presumably there would be a cost associated with whatever materials and labor are used in the production of whatever it is you're removing from the money economy, however that could be accomplished. ***EDIT - hopefully this makes my point a bit clearer...***I guess what I'm presuming is that someone somewhere is going to have to "pay" for any good or service consumed, whether or not the payor also happens to be the consumer, and whether or not the good or service is "free" to the one doing the consuming. Is this a reasonable assumption? **EDIT***

(3) A "joint venture," as I understand the term, is a completely voluntary arrangement entered into by individuals, corporations, what have you, to work together for a specific reason to accomplish a specific goal. And in every case I can think of includes an implied limitation in the term of its existence, after which time the parties involved have no further obligation to each other. What you're describing doesn't seem like this at all; so I'd be curious how you're defining the term, and especially where your definition and mine part company.

Value is just about the most subjective thing there is.

ruveyn

all this is is an idea, nothing more.

in reality when we deal with issues we always have to relate directly to any changes made.
in reality there would (unless humanity united) always be differences from place to place in what a standard may be.
as for how this in reality would look? i think it would look somewhat like many of the services provided in scandinavian social capitalisms .

isnt any involvement in a state a "voluntary" arrangement, you can always move or simply disobey the laws put forth.

of course there would be a cost to anything, there would be compromises and there would be money, consumers products and private buisness.
i simply think we tend to translate a persons value to the economy of today as the ultimate value of the person, at least on a state level.
some places are better than others but ultimately the external influences between nations in the west has homogenized how people perceive value to a large extent.

Another option is to convict the unemployed of vagrancy, Then, put them to work, digging holes and filling them up again, somewhere in the Nevada desert. After force-marching to somewhere in the Nevada desert.

That, coupled with eliminating minimum wage laws, would put a major dent in unemployment.

I warned my liberal friends that we would be lucky if the "Change" that Mr. Obama promised would be what's left of our paychecks once he got elected.

My wife and I are considering a move to an Asian or European country for our retirement, so that what's left of our pensions and savings will still allow us to live reasonably well.

What European or Asian country do you think you can afford?

Albania?

ruveyn

The new oil fields in North Dakota are about the only places where jobs are plentiful...

Where I live, all that's available are bottom-rung and management jobs. The wages for the low-level jobs are being lowballed to ridiculous extents... Delivery jobs that used to pay about $12-$15/hour only pay minimum wage now ($8.50/hour). Most coffee shops require 2+ years of experience to be a barista, but still only pay minimum wage. Trade jobs are paying a lot less, too.

If employers have that tight of a vicegrip on our balls, the state unemployment rate has to be quite a bit higher than the "9.6%" the government coughed up. The economy's not getting any better. 20% of my state is on food stamps. We may as well change our name to "Pooregon"...

ya i live one state up and the delivery jobs are also going down in wage as well

The Philippines seems most likely.

One economics website rated my county in Michigan at 16 percent. I'm in southern Michigan to though so I think the figure is probably closer to 20 and also a lot of people are fleeing to Indiana and Ohio.

I've been doing truck driving work and I hear there is demand to work the Oil Patch or haul Fracking Sand in Texas.

I don't understand it across the country there still seems to be demand to hire Truck Drivers and Van Expediters. Partly because of high turn over even during this Recession, but it still tells me freight is moving for some people. Possibly some companies still have business flowing but at the expense of the rank & file worker.

My feeling is most of what we see happening is trickle down inflation. I think the Rich really feel inflation so to maintain their lifestyle and businesses they pass the inflation cost down to the Middleclass.

I don't see any good in that.

Instead of the unemployed we should do that to our politicians.

And those on top of the corporate ladder who pretty much own the government should suffer that fate as well.

I'm already doing all the prep work to leave the US. Should be shortly after 2012. Maybe I can leave having voted for Dr. Paul ...if he makes it that far lol.


Question is.. would I still be required to pay taxes or into that stupid healthcare if I live overseas and have zero assets or $$ in banks in the US?