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23 Jul 2011, 6:36 pm

Tsela wrote:
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being a housewife is work too. it is also a trade (after all, the husband supports his housewife in exchange for various things; she is essentially "selling" her body and skills).


Indeed, equating "housewife" with "not working" is adding insult over injury. Anyone who has tried doing a bit of cleaning at home will know it's a full time job. Add children and it's a non-stop job, 24/7! People who are "working" have it easy.


Unless they have to do all the work work and the housework, as well.

In some cultures, women do most of the work, whether it's paid or not. I come from quite a matriarchal culture where this is somewhat the case, but my dad is really good and helps out around the house. Can't say the same for my partner, though.


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23 Jul 2011, 6:54 pm

Fnord wrote:
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The word "Housewife" is inappropriate, in that no woman is the wife of a house.

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At LEAST pretend to try to consider the possibility of knowing what you are talking about. HOUSEWIFE from which we slur to hussy is house-wife which is the woman of the house [matital staus is assumed but not specified]

These days it is HUSBAND that is the misnomer - a modern husband is NOT "bound" to the house. Instead of the clunky, stupid and inadequate "house husband" you at times hear - house house bond, indeed! - better for the man who hangsat home running the place we should go to HOUSEMAN or HOUSEGROOM [the r inserted as in BRIDEGROOM, originally "bride guma" as in Gerna Bra"utigam.

As your home assignment, work up "queen" and explain why the earl's wife is a countess"



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23 Jul 2011, 7:58 pm

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I'm tired of people who think it is morally wrong for a woman to be a housewife. A woman can be a housewife if she wants to.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpA7pfR0FIc[/youtube]




I'm not sure who is saying it's morally wrong for a women to be housewife. I certainly never have and most Americans would consider me further to the "left" than Barack Obama ever dreamed of being.


Plenty of "cultural con-servatives" (which includes many idiots in the Muslim world btw....) think it's morally wrong for women to be anything BUT housewives though.


All thanks to fairy books whose claims should've been dismissed around the same time their belief in Santa Claus was.


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23 Jul 2011, 8:01 pm

Now that I've watched the video, I can't help but feel the clip is missing something. Outside of the first piece where he assumes women are naturally nurturing and men are not, he simply says that women shouldn't have to work if they don't want to (as in for money). He doesn't delve into the differing economic realities, just says that he thinks it should be her choice. Isn't that what feminists have said all along, give us a choice?


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23 Jul 2011, 8:42 pm

Your average republican is further to the left than Obama is.


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23 Jul 2011, 8:48 pm

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Your average republican is further to the left than Obama is.




LOL.....there actually may be quite a bit of truth to that. Obama is one of best friends monopolistic capitalism has ever had :roll: Just like his allegedly more "economically conservative" predecessors like Bush and Reagan.


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23 Jul 2011, 9:19 pm

Horus wrote:
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Your average republican is further to the left than Obama is.




LOL.....there actually may be quite a bit of truth to that. Obama is one of best friends monopolistic capitalism has ever had :roll: Just like his allegedly more "economically conservative" predecessors like Bush and Reagan.

Sure you guys are in the right thread?


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23 Jul 2011, 9:29 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
Your average republican is further to the left than Obama is.


Yeah, they're really ahead of the curve on social issues. </sarcasm>



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23 Jul 2011, 9:29 pm

If housework is not work, then I will stop paying the woman that cleans my house once a week. Let's see how that goes...



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23 Jul 2011, 9:37 pm

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If housework is not work, then I will stop paying the woman that cleans my house once a week. Let's see how that goes...


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23 Jul 2011, 9:38 pm

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Women ... should be able to choose to do whatever the hell they want to do.


Starting from the day any man can choose to do whatever he wants to do.

Free will is one thing - free choice is not given any of us, most especialliy in Mod Civ.



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23 Jul 2011, 9:48 pm

Jory wrote:
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Your average republican is further to the left than Obama is.


Yeah, they're really ahead of the curve on social issues. </sarcasm>
Stop it with the trauma on health care reform. It was the most rightist thing a president could do under the health care reform name.


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23 Jul 2011, 9:51 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
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Your average republican is further to the left than Obama is.


Yeah, they're really ahead of the curve on social issues. </sarcasm>
Stop it with the trauma on health care reform. It was the most rightist thing a president could do under the health care reform name.


Highly debatable, but I wasn't even talking about that. I was talking about the waging of war on gay rights, abortion, and workers' rights.



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24 Jul 2011, 12:27 am

Ilka wrote:
If housework is not work, then I will stop paying the woman that cleans my house once a week. Let's see how that goes...

Doesn't housework includes sex?



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24 Jul 2011, 1:09 am

If my mother didn't work very hard, we would have been in poverty alot longer. If I was a spouse, it would actualy please me to pay the bills.



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24 Jul 2011, 2:18 am

DarthMetaKnight wrote:
I'm tired of people who think it is morally wrong for a woman to be a housewife. A woman can be a housewife if she wants to.


Funny how you didn't put "the woman or man (but not both) doesn't HAVE to (do paid, formal) work", as Stay At Home Dads do exist.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCdr-WZlRc4[/youtube]

Regardless, on hyper-literal grounds the statement is false if applied to all cases as unless said woman has a husband who is gainfully employed, has a lofty inheritance or family willing to support her, is competent at scamming welfare, or is content with destitution, she'll HAVE to work.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpA7pfR0FIc[/youtube]


This video could be clearer. Several notes.

  • At the beginning it seems the host is challenging Christopher Hitchens on whether woman should be assumed by default as the primary caregivers.
  • It looks like she's claiming, in an absolutist sense, that believing it should be optional for women to work is "sexist", but a huge chunk out of the middle of the show seems to have been cut, the youtuber dosen't reference who the interviewer is or what date the program is from, so researching it in greater depth is difficult. It still seems like the host is just upset with Hitchens default asumption that women should be the primary caregivers, although I could be mistaken.
  • I know of at least one case where Hitchens generalizations on the naturalness of mothers compared to fathers fails. While my father was a bit queasy during my birth, he was certainly a much better caregiver than my mother, who would have made an unfit primary parent (although, to be fair, she'd also make an unfit breadwinner).


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